Episode 75 - Coco

[00:00:16] You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God. Welcome to Movie Mistrial. The podcast where we investigate the truthfulness of movies, including in the IMDV's top 250 movies of all time. My name is Johannes, and I am Raji.

[00:00:34] Today, we're discussing another film and a vibrant list. Pixies, dimensional rollercoaster, Coco. Coco was released to Universal acclaim on November 22nd, 2017. It was particularly loved in Mexico and at the time it was the biggest blockbuster in Mexican history.

[00:00:51] Movie stars and Timmy Gonzalez and Miguel, Gelsha Bernal, has hector Benjamin Bradus and Esther Delacruz and Alana Ubrac as Mama Emelda. Before Fally Trudon leaves, the separate a good day from the bad one will make you happy today. What makes me happy today? That's a very good question.

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[00:01:34] My wife has watched me watch this show. She doesn't like the acting in it. So I know there's some criticism about the acting, but I've read the book and I've watched the show and I think that it's a perfect encapsulation of how to translate the book to show.

[00:01:52] I love the show. I love the show. And I think you can understand the subject matter. It's such a good show. I mean, it's basically game on films and space, right?

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[00:02:13] And we in season three, the worst offenders for me are the space marine, the marsh marine. She is so, and then the UN ambassador, maybe. And then they both end up together for a couple of the episodes. Oh god. But that's been enjoyable.

[00:02:34] And I could, it took a while to get into it because it's kind of a weird plot in the beginning. But now I'm invested. So yeah, that makes me happy. Well, I do like the voice of the UN president. The UN president has voices just beautiful. She's Iranian.

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[00:03:21] But they handed the touch over. And the people they handed it touch to probably another best actor with actors, but they did a good job. I'm not going to stop there.

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[00:03:52] a driver who is placed by who's played by Frankie. And who Frankie Adams, who is a person you were talking about, who played the soldier, the big, bulky soldier. And the UN lady. I don't have a problem with the UN lady honestly, but yes.

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[00:04:25] Like you can still produce something that is good. And, you know, even on the spotcast, right? We talk about movies that have gigantic budgets and not always are they, like good, right? So I'm going to give you a, I'm going to give you this.

[00:04:45] The show was on sci-fi from season one to three. So it faced the budget of sci-fi, but then it moved to Amazon for season four to six. And you're going to see the difference in budget constraint. So be ready for that anyway.

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[00:05:38] I think after watching Coco this weekend, I stayed to watch some of the Pixar movies that I've missed. like here for example, I have a couple more on my backlog and you know one of

[00:05:50] the things that Laura said while I was watching this movie was that Coco was the last good Pixar film and it's quite interesting going through the list of movies, try to see where they went wrong and you know watching light here I

[00:06:06] mean during the film but you could see that there was something missing from that film but it's still a good film for all good for all the intense and purposes so that's my review of light here you see it on episode 1,000 and two.

[00:06:20] I know what's the last good? I don't know I mean I don't the only is the best in the last should I say six seven years it came out in 2017 the closest to being good was the incredible three, like you might in 2018, the incredible two, like

[00:06:48] much in 2018, incredible two and that was good it was not as good as Coco so I would say that after that there's no that's the only one that you could argue other than that I don't think there's any other Pixar movies that came out that could

[00:07:06] compete level yeah I mean I think the like the problem I should say that now because we need to figure out where we are first but we should we'll talk about that before we go into problems let's hear some ups first good cut Coco it's a heart

[00:07:34] warming animated film produced by Pixar Animation Studios it follows the journey of a young boy named Miguel who dreams of becoming a musician despite his family's band on music through a series of magical events on the day of the dead Miguel

[00:07:47] finds himself in the vibrant land of the dead where he seeks to bless a couple ancestors to pursue his passion as Miguel and covers long-held family secrets Coco beautifully explores themes of love family and the importance of remembering and honoring one's heritage with its stunning animation hard-fought

[00:08:03] storytelling and memorable music Coco is a visually enchanting and emotionally residents in a magic experience for audiences of all ages so yeah Coco they remember me I'm excited to figure out who's arguing for in the

[00:08:28] against so let's say heads of tales I will go ahead my usual heads it is I'm gonna argue for I'm not gonna jump into this trap I got trapped last week okay so I'll get going I'll kick us around off all right here we go you go

[00:08:54] is nothing the witness will address this court is judge or you're on your honor we are confronted with a movie that is yet another generic Pixar finding yourself story this time the flavor of the month is Mexican culture and I think what

[00:09:19] you were saying about this is the last movie that is good from Pixar is it's kind of the first movie that kicks off Pixar is kind of a federation with young characters trying to find themselves but trying desperately not to lose

[00:09:36] their connection to family and home if we look at kind of the follow-up movies of this you know we have Luca Italian culture but also kind of a coming out story turning red Asian light year space light year light year was messy I

[00:09:58] have it was fine but it doesn't work within the context of post story elemental trying to recreate inside out but different you know but all of them haven't come in this this whole like I'm a teenager I'm rebellious I need to find

[00:10:16] myself and not alienates like the loved ones around me and it's kind of generic and cheesy at this point and Coco is the first that kicked us off the main problem I have with Coco though is that we are trapped in a kind of time travel paradox

[00:10:37] at the end we the whole premise is that Miguel's great great great grandfather is going to be forgotten because the only person that is left that remembers him is his daughter Coco and she's fading and you can tell like we go back and forth

[00:11:04] and he's afraid that he is being forgotten now the problem is that Miguel is coming back to the living world and he now knows his great great great great grandfather Coco's father and he can tell stories so by default he's not forgotten anymore so the whole like

[00:11:26] back and forth of oh we'll make it in time it's kind of meaningless because there's somebody now that can that remembers him can bring his legacy forward and thus kind of the last act of this film completely false apart at the whole urgency behind like

[00:11:48] coming back and trying to to get her to remember with the song it's just lazy and you know but that's kind of the only resolve I guess you can make out of this because otherwise why

[00:12:02] would you you work so hard to get get some kind of family resolve so it's it's challenging because it's it's trying to grab you with all the fuzzy feelings and like a ton of culture

[00:12:16] and so many references and it's good at that but it's just kind of story-wise it's nothing new and it's falling into that paradox trap and that's just not as good so it shouldn't be on

[00:12:41] very interesting point I want to say that you know after this movie came out we had movies like so but prior to this movie we had movies like Brave which is based on Irish culture

[00:12:58] but basically we're sipping that world about a young girl who wants to be brave um I'm guessing so I wouldn't say that this movie kicked out kicked off the cultural the cultural nature of Pixar films because we had seen those prior but I will say that

[00:13:24] it went outside of the comfort zone of having basically the predominant western culture because of Caucasian British set Eurocentric culture and you moved out of that comfort zone and you moved into more vibrant cultures so I think

[00:13:44] that in a way I should let me rephrase that I think that back with culture so how dare you speak it against my German potato culture? That's wrong I shouldn't say that I should say that

[00:14:00] it did something different from the cultural foundations that you're familiar with so yes before we get letters that's the correction and after this movie movies like Soul came out so I wouldn't say that Pixar was sift in this kind of messaging

[00:14:21] I would say that they did more of it you know with Luca in turn and red but I would say that you know they were always doing stuff like this even if he wasn't as frequent but I think the

[00:14:36] success of Coco was a significant signifier to them to try to expand outside of the generalized culture that he used to focus on so in your argument you mentioned that this is a movie about young characters trying to find themselves I'm going to say that all Pixar movies

[00:14:58] are about people trying to find themselves so the incredible irrespective of which of the characters they choose which environment they have in fact finding Nemo was basically about finding Nemo we know not necessarily finding Nemo you know in the real in the human world but it also was

[00:15:19] a chance for the father to find his son and figure out who he really is and not be as protective so Pixar has had a generalized nature of making films like this what I want to argue with is that

[00:15:33] Pixar has a formula and I think that they understand human emotions and they play with that and just as the movie started you know they played the music and I was like we're going to get

[00:15:46] to this music again and I think your argument about the paradox is also a little bit interesting you your point being that the boy now knows about the father so he's not going

[00:16:01] to forget and that going back to play the music for Coco which is interesting it's the name of the movie was based on the grandmother not the boy as she read the importance of her but the

[00:16:18] truth about it is we would never have seen he was who would have before got in but playing the music allowed Coco to bring out the picture which allowed them to put the

[00:16:32] an an a stow on the orprender and allowed him to be remembered by the whole family for what he is the story she tells after she comes out from you know hard trends you know she's going

[00:16:49] through Alzheimer she doesn't remember her kids she doesn't remember all her family members but the music the music brought her back and she tells the story of a nestle and that brings the whole

[00:17:04] family together um and because of the story that Miguel tells about how a nestle was murdered by the accrues sorry my same name's wrong hector hector hector is his dad so hector is his dad

[00:17:26] and nestle that accrues is the one who murdered hector because he tells a story the whole world gets to switch the story um and a thing that you know a nestle hated the most being his reputation goes

[00:17:43] today i think that this movie and I'd reason wanted reasons why I didn't want to argue against the movies that the movie felt like a lot of the arguments that you could have against movies

[00:17:55] like this is thick of a too long this movie is not there are a couple of air gap areas where things slowed down i couldn't find any honestly this movie had a tight script the the story was

[00:18:10] punchy from start to finish things moved at the brisk space a big brisk space um and we kept getting revelations after revelations and the emotional output at the very end of the film

[00:18:24] which was built up from the very beginning where you take it song out of context but he was singing remember me and it was going on to still case and it was loud it was pompous the music

[00:18:38] the crowds and you take that story and a wall hit and you bring it down to the purpose the context in which he was written and that music was so powerful it brought memories back

[00:18:52] it felt emotional like an emotional gut punch but in a good way um i think that this movie is picks as one of picks as best movies um and you know i cried up and we've talked about up

[00:19:07] three times in this show um and our first 20 minutes is very strong i think what they were to do with this movie was take that and expand on it um and give you that emotional gut punch at

[00:19:20] the moment where you didn't expect it to happen and i felt like this movie was a um was a game bus the emotional roller coaster from the very beginning to the very end and as an immigrant

[00:19:34] i could relate to the mom i could relate to how the kids grew up i could relate to um the feeling of being um pigeon hold into what the family wants you to do um and then find

[00:19:49] in a way to break away from it and i think that um that's a very powerful film so i'm going to stop there i'll give you a chance to talk sure sure so you try to refute my um kind of uh my paradox

[00:20:06] a little bit but i don't think you did that successfully because the whole the whole finale is based around cocoa cannot forget that i exist because if i don't exist my spirit dies right

[00:20:25] like he he dies for good like it's the final death um and thus even if you put the picture up like he wouldn't be able to come cross over and visit right problem is Miguel now knows his story

[00:20:41] right so he he will not experience his final death despite cocoa passing because there's somebody that remembers him and then you know like once she passes it's likely they will probably

[00:20:54] go through the room and find the picture and then next year they could put it up and he can cross right so so that whole final conflict is not really existent because that's already solved by him knowing um about uh heckdorn uh you also said that the

[00:21:18] revelations are coming piece by piece uh i found that to be pretty obvious that hector is his dad because it's like the way he said to do said he's not able to pass sure it's kind of it

[00:21:37] it's one way of introducing you know there's rules in this world but but then okay his picture's not set up so you know that's kind of one of the clues because he close pictures not set up because his

[00:21:50] head is ripped out and there's like all these little revelations are kind of shown that the accrues is most likely not the night in shining armor that he's presenting himself um and then finally you know contextual like he completely re-contextualizes a remember me right

[00:22:13] like um it's fascinating in a way to see that that uh a song with the same lyrics but presented in a very different way just has a very different meaning that accrues is so self absorbed

[00:22:29] that the remember me is is all about boisterousness and you know remember me right versus uh the hector version is just really done don't forget me like i'm you know it's small intimate um

[00:22:45] so like all these these things are obvious and then like you said like picks up movies are very generic to begin with right i do think i do think i do think that co-co stands out

[00:23:03] um in a way um i still do think that it's one of the pioneers kind of on that track down non-American traditional experiences and trying to figure out how other cultures deal with being

[00:23:21] young and growing up but it was inevitable because picks are already did that with like multiple interpretations of that be a car speed by the source of toys right so so at some point that had to go

[00:23:36] to some different realms so it's i don't know it's it is classic picks are from your lairc and uh it's not really something new and exciting but not let you speak so i mean i think that first of all we have to watch this movie from the perspective

[00:24:02] of somebody who is going in an excellent slate i mean if you watch the movie before you could figure out you probably know all the cues in between but i think that there was a strong

[00:24:14] and also if you if you're a movie critic and you've seen all the cues you know that there's always something behind it and all of that stuff like all the conversations they had nobody ever

[00:24:26] explicitly said that instead the lairc was the grandfather we knew that he was picking it up based on cues and we knew that those cues were significant there is significant the place to create a

[00:24:38] sort of distraction and if you've watched movies longer enough you can tell the good times are when you can't tell like okay but this is a kids movie too and you want to be able to follow the story

[00:24:53] right so all of those things are leads to a situation where they don't have it complicated over complicated plot line that makes it easy for a people to get confused and in that sense

[00:25:07] yes it's predictable but i still think that he did a great job of it the kid bought into it an estu de la Cruz i think who i think is gay body to it because i'll tell you why because your harness is giving me a face what?

[00:25:34] throughout the time every single time dimension the fact that um estu de la Cruz had a kid everybody was surprised by that and when an estu de la Cruz heard it he was absolutely surprised by the idea and he couldn't believe that he had a grandson

[00:25:57] and he just decided to play along uh the the movies also talk the movies also talking about the idea of being different from your family and i think you can use that as an allegory for

[00:26:14] you know being gay being trans been um musically different from the rest of your family anybody who feels different who it's about somebody who needs the support of their family if they feel

[00:26:30] like they don't fall into the fold of how the family operates this movies about finding support in that being direct and being able to communicate and hoping that your family embraces you for who you are

[00:26:43] i felt like they didn't explicitly say it but uh we saw many scenarios at the very beginning of the film where he would sing to women and they would soon so it's either his impotent

[00:26:59] and if he was impotent that'd be another thing but the fact that he was always surprised when he was saying oh he's your grandson you know he always sing confused by that even an estu de la Cruz

[00:27:10] so that's my that's the vibe I got from the film i mean not be right fair enough but i felt like when he told an estu de la Cruz that he was his great grandson the level of surprise

[00:27:24] that an estu de la Cruz had made me feel like okay maybe this guy is okay so that's my perspective and yet another gay disney villain or a disney villain that is gay coden you know i mean

[00:27:42] Disney's never gonna come out and say the character is gay but i feel like they always give cues like Gaston you know all the characters that they've had i don't know so yeah whatever

[00:27:57] i mean it doesn't change the point but go on but he's not it's an interesting thought it didn't occur to me at all to me is to me it was his reaction to i have a son he's an he's a dp

[00:28:13] opportunistic person you know shown by the fact that he kills his in creative partner that writes all the songs and is arguably the better musician but then uses that to gain fame and then

[00:28:31] uses him killing it as inspiration for a film and i just got a grip off of that so i would see him as somebody that that's just kind of a consistent here so when there's opportunity arises of like oh i

[00:28:48] could have a son i could potentially maybe benefit from this in some shape of a form he sees that opportunity and sees it that's that was my reading of it it's it's an interesting

[00:29:02] thought though i give you that there I will counter it and say that i think that an estu de la Cruz had had feelings for hector and the fact that hector was gonna leave him and go back to his family

[00:29:18] caused a significant riff and led to a lot of the murders even though he wanted the songs he also wanted hector to be there with him the fact that he was a huge musician yeah like i said

[00:29:31] women were swimming for him there was no talk of there was no talk of relationships and the fact that he was so surprised when Miguel said that to him kind of gave it away

[00:29:45] even in the land of the dead he was singing he was flamboyant he was doing all of that stuff with crowd but he had no girlfriends he had no he was just it was all about him and yeah that's i mean

[00:29:59] i stand by my take his reputation was always gonna be most important to him but i think that this there had to be an element of of that in debt too hmm yeah again i'm not sure i see that but

[00:30:16] it's an interesting thought and the reason why i don't see that is i think that is something that this movie is i mean this movie is obviously touching very cultural pulses but then having this closeted gay story in there i think is not necessarily something

[00:30:41] Pixar wanted to open up with with that but that's that's kind of my take um because i think i mean it's getting better from what i understand in Mexico but like as a very Christian

[00:30:57] nation there is a lot of challenges there right so i think it's probably a little challenging to just have that there and not address it properly or just kind of have it be in the

[00:31:17] and the vagueness of it that maybe maybe not i don't know i'm not super convinced about a strange thing thought i do think about it thank you about it and the fact that the

[00:31:27] joke was that he took to the chorizo and all of them laughed at too i think there are lots of inside jokes in the show um in the movie and i mean i've read it as that somebody can see

[00:31:44] something else and they could argue about i mean it's an interesting stuff it might be a conspiracy theory but i just feel like there were lots of cues in there i also think that if

[00:31:57] leaving a to leaving was such a big deal for a nestle that he choked him killed him with the poison for instead of just going i can get another musician i can write my songs for me felt a little bit

[00:32:14] stronger than just how your music that you've been writing all this time i'm going to need it i think that just the cues are there for something a lot more stronger than oh i'm going to kill you

[00:32:25] because you're writing me because if he's dead he doesn't get to write the music right he doesn't yeah but but if he's living he can he can call him out for the friday years i'm sure

[00:32:41] i mean we're living in the world of cat William so maybe that is true yeah we have the we have the world before cat William's in the world after cat William so alright i think we we we that's very interested i didn't expect this group would be a

[00:33:00] point of conversation i just watched the movie and i was like yeah i wonder if he is um but i also i also thought that the movie was an allegory for people who felt different in their family

[00:33:14] and they needed the support of their family so and it wouldn't be beyond Disney or Pixar to have that kind of message in the film so uh yeah the movie is great to just for anybody who wants

[00:33:27] let me just be clear about this this is one of my favorite Pixar films and it's the message is just incredible um i thought the music not a lot of songs in there that i'm memorable you know

[00:33:44] it's not it's not a lot of songs that i'm memorable in there but i think the ones that remember me uh which were your cut several times in different context had a lot of powerful meaning

[00:33:56] and i think that um that would the way the way which used that in multiple occasions did do a did do a lot of good for the film yeah cool should we go over to the cypher yes cypher

[00:34:10] oh roll cypher guilty back in like here say they live briefcase this regard in my chain stop beaver on the witness arrest like a totally be lawyers um i agree with you like it is one of the best

[00:34:20] picture movies right it's it's it's great and i mean i i i love that whole um day of the dead aesthetic i i think's very cool and i think that the way how death is handled

[00:34:43] with uh with they of the dead it's so much healthier than like whatever i grew up with right absolutely it's such a it's such a cool way of thinking about your family and and kind of

[00:34:58] the legacy of your family and you know remembering and just kind of sharing the story so you gotta make sure that it's so cool it's so neat and it's it's taken away some of the fears around

[00:35:13] death i would think because you know if if you're in if you're going down that rabbit hole you can be sure that um you will not be forgotten you will be there you then you know there's

[00:35:29] something to to be afraid of in a way right i think i think a lot of um fears around death are kind of around you know what do i leave behind in a way and yeah i think this is such an interesting

[00:35:44] way of having their conversation and starting it so um i love that i agree with the music but like that it's it's kind of gets you moving and kind of gets you know going with a beat but

[00:35:59] nothing is super memorable i do love a lot of the aesthetics here uh even though not a lot like it kind of does make sense right the way the sculpts are different like the like and that they're all

[00:36:11] painted up like the sugar sculpts but uh the fascinating thing is that they're able to convey characters and how they look in like the real version and quotes versus the dead versions um

[00:36:26] how good and good they did that and then i mean free to call it this is so so good that's such a good you know and the little Nazi and dare to to other um culture icons

[00:36:43] it's just so good it's it's so well done is it for me they yes it is but like i said it's also kids from right so yeah it is one of the best after that it kind of gets rough because and because

[00:36:59] i think they saw the the success of cocoa yeah and try to recreate that um that kind of spark of genius in other cultures and didn't work as well i don't think they're terrible but it's just

[00:37:16] kind of the rehash and kind of a desperate here rehash what do you think i agree with you i mean i think that is i think yeah they saw this success of that movie and they wanted to do something else

[00:37:30] i will say that you know when we're talking about fire dash shifts and um historical context you know they never talked about you know the questions we came before my my mother and my mother

[00:37:41] and who was my mother's parents of dipping forgotten you know that's one of the things that i would say you were okay did my mother not talk to people about her family why wouldn't she talk

[00:37:55] to people about her family so there were a couple of questions that i had about the family tree um but i would say like i was watching i'm moving and i had the same sentiment like i wish people were had a healthier relationship with the dead

[00:38:14] than this then what we currently have and i i admired it because one of the things that he keeps the humanity of families and he keeps the history together um and because that history

[00:38:30] so strong you know you get to you have contextual analysis of what what you did or why you are the who why you are who you are um so i did appreciate that and i think that the conversation

[00:38:46] about uh whether an ester that accrues was gay or not kind of deflected from some of the points that are going to bring the history the world that he created was beautiful um it was interesting

[00:38:59] to see the reactions of the spirits to the human who was walking amongst them which was hilarious in the sense that if we saw a ghost we would have the same reaction in a way you know but because

[00:39:12] the escalators their jaws literally dropped to the floor uh um it was interesting to see them navigate the world like when i hacked a jump from the top and it just drew his whole body down

[00:39:26] and then we created at the bottom those physics were very interesting to watch uh and quite convenient uh we are moving around but i thought that the way they realized the world was incredible

[00:39:39] the use of color the use of lighting one of the things that was a little bit weird was the spirit animals i don't think that they had uh they they used that as a plot tool to drive the

[00:39:54] story along i felt like it was in flesh that enough so there wasn't flesh that enough and the weird dog was just just weird and just a point of humour uh track the film

[00:40:15] but it was interesting um it was interesting use i thought the movie was great to think it's one of the best big profiles i don't have much else to say the movie is hard to criticize

[00:40:26] i will say so it's very hard to criticize uh so one thing that picks up as well is uh taking the mundane she's is taking the mundane and just you know putting that into like everyday you know

[00:40:50] and putting that in their stories like all the bureaucracy that they show in the world of the dead is so good but it's so funny but it kind of feels like yeah it kind of makes sense

[00:41:05] there needs to be some kind of control if you think if you think this through right it's like how would you like if you build up the the this rule set of somebody needs to put up your picture

[00:41:16] like how how do you control that like all that just the ideation around that is so so fascinating and so so funny right because yeah it's like like going through the into a new country but i love that because it's so so grounded in reality and

[00:41:35] and just not it takes that concept and kind of the spiritual illness and puts it into something very relatable and and then that is uh that is brilliant i think and picks up that set a lot

[00:41:48] right they they do that in and I want all the movies where it goes into the fantastical there's some kind of element that that is kind of outside of it but frames the world and grounds the world

[00:42:04] that they set up into something that is fantastical but relatable and that's one of the big strong sorts of picks are I think and yeah it's it's hard to criticize the the paradox thing

[00:42:14] is something I noticed yesterday when I watched the films like wait a minute this this kind of doesn't make sense if you think about it too much right if you're just along for the right it's cool

[00:42:23] because it focuses on on cocoa and and that's the important part but if you think about the mechanics of it you know and then the world they establish she's kind of not important anymore

[00:42:43] then right and that's that's kind of sad so maybe choose not to think about that too much yeah but i do think that she's still had to put the picture up before she passed away

[00:42:57] and I think she was on the verge of passing away um before he came and played the music and I think that kind of give her life because I had to be early beginning in the world they said

[00:43:09] at the very beginning in the movie they said that she was stuck that she was supposed to be here but she was stuck and at many points in the film at the beginning of the film she was always talking

[00:43:21] about her papa so she needed like a spark to to start almost like she wanted to say something about papa um I we never got to hear it until he heard the music so if she had passed away while

[00:43:34] he was out there he would have been forgotten and even if the boy remembered him he wouldn't have mattered but he had to get the picture up on the appendar to get his soul back so everybody in the family

[00:43:48] could remember him so yeah I thought so yeah that's all I had for cocoa. Watch it it's good that's very good. I agree. All right next up on the list. 1984 is Amadeus.

[00:44:14] I think I've seen this movie but I've only seen it once such an old yeah it's yeah yeah I've seen the one before um it's long. It's like two hours. So grab the popcorn and let's dive into Amadeus with the next episode. Until then that's good.

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