Episode 81 - Avengers: Endgame

[00:00:16] Welcome to Movie Mistrial. The podcast will be a part of how accurate I indeed is, top 250 movies of all time. Spine on it that's not. My name is Johannes. And I am Raji. Today we're discussing another bombastic film on this playlist.

[00:00:36] A real close to a movie infused with incredibly intricate hand movements. Avengers and game. The final movie in the Infinity Stone saga, which lasted more than 10 years. If we're jumping into the time capsule that is this movie, I have to ask how are you doing? I'm doing great.

[00:00:57] Let's see. One of the things that make me happy. I saw the news and day of movie made by the person that made, call me by your name. It was interesting. Challenger, so still the title. It's interesting. It's very horny, which is not that here.

[00:01:16] Yeah, it's, you know, seems to be kind of a Sunday as brandly lately. But, um, not good. It's good. I enjoyed it pretty much. And then I also saw a serial mom, a John Waters movie. Also, it just seemed very funny, very bizarre. But, you know, good times.

[00:01:35] How are you? I'm doing well. More curious about the challenges movie now. But I'm doing all right. I've been watching the Fallout show, trying to get up to speed. And, you know, the, I don't know if you got ever got to watch Shogun.

[00:01:56] That movie, I sure came to an end. It was surprisingly strong. Yeah. But it also made me question how much memory I retained, because I forgot to include a lot of audiobooks and the old film. But it was a good reproaching, right?

[00:02:12] And, you know, hopefully catch some, some, um, some wind. It's typically supposed to be only one season. And one final season, so it was supposed to be in many series. But the wind ended. It feels like there should be a second season. But who knows? Yes.

[00:02:31] I heard a lot of people talk about the Fallout show. And then, favorite pretty solid. Do you agree? It's good. Yeah, it's pretty good. I'm at a final de-games. But I can see why the show is pretty good. I will give it that. It's fun and,

[00:02:46] Gory, you know, fun and gory. Always a good combination. Fun and gory attributes that don't apply to the movie we've just seen. What it, what it will apply to Deadpool, can you soon? But yeah, this movie is quite interesting.

[00:03:07] So yeah, I know a couple of episodes ago we watched the first of this two-parter in Fidity War. Yeah, and then end game now brings it all to a close. Yeah. And I mean, I recall we were not the huge fans of the first one.

[00:03:25] So let's see if we can turn on a ride. I've not entirely sure what I said or what I didn't see by the first one. Did I argue for, I guess? I can't remember time flies and I am getting older and forgetting everything just like you, but... Oh.

[00:03:46] Okay. Let's, to not forget what this movie is about. Let's hear some options. Avengers and Game is a superhero epic directed by Anthony and Joe Russo, serving as the climactic conclusion to the Marvel Cinematic Universe's Infinity saga.

[00:04:03] The film follows the remaining Avengers as they embark on a desperate mission to undo the catastrophic events caused by the villainous Thanos who wiped out half of all life in the universe with the snap of his fingers.

[00:04:15] Who timed have well as sacrificed the Avengers come from their past and forge a final stand against Thanos on the Nappal battlefield for the fate of existence itself. Avengers and Game is a threatening a emotional girl or a co-star celebrating the legacy of the MCU's beloved characters

[00:04:28] for delivering an epic conclusion that leaves a lasting impact on both the heroes and audiences alike. And we'll back. So yeah, again disclaimer, this is like 50% of two part six hour long movie movie. Well, I close to right. The visual effects industry was needed for this.

[00:04:59] I think we've also, also underpaid but who knows? Yeah, I was going to say if the visual effects industry made bank but I'm sure they didn't. That much, at least on the individual artists. So there's that. Um, so we straight like go go be.

[00:05:18] So we're just going to straight into it. Straight into it. Just going and get through it. Let's get to it. Hands up hands. I'm going to go with heads. Hands it is. Man, I think we didn't all have this stuff recently. I'm going to go against this movie.

[00:05:34] All right. Well, you have the stage. The witness will address this court as judge or your own. Ladies and gentlemen, the second part of the Avengers saga. So like I said in the introduction is a 10 hour movie. 10 years saga that includes so many films.

[00:05:58] So if you decided to jump into this movie at the very end just to be watch this one because all your friends are. Interesting in all you've heard so much about it and you feel like, you know, this is a timely jumping.

[00:06:12] I'm sorry you are going to be sorely confused because the problem with movies like this is that you have to understand all the intricacies of the last 24 films to try to understand some of the easter eggs and some of the significance of some of the things that are showing you on the screen.

[00:06:32] And this movie, I like the previous one, instead of very slow and sturdy nothing. It was a soap opera where everybody was basically winding about the things they've lost. And this movie doesn't eventually, you know, doesn't pick up until we're close to the first hour mark.

[00:06:53] When the decide to figure out, you know, the time travel. The time heist and, you know, after they figure out the time heist situation, the movie starts to pick up. But if you are not caught up with a lot of what they're trying to say.

[00:07:14] For example, once they go into once Bruce Banner goes to visit Dr. Strange and he meets the time lord. And she's telling him like, hey, Dr. Strange hasn't given a ride. He's not going to be here for another five years.

[00:07:29] And you know, you don't understand the context of what she's talking. You don't understand why Dr. Strange is so significant. Why him allowing her to take the way. I'm allowing her to give him the timestone was so significant story. You know, it feels long and rambling.

[00:07:53] If you're not invested in any of the characters and you feel like the premise is very silly. This movie is just a rip-rolling horrible film to watch because it has a lot of had movements, a lot of actors who are overplaying the significance of the action.

[00:08:12] Like, you know, it feels like overacting if you're not invested in a lot of the characters you're watching at this movie is three hours long, basically.

[00:08:25] And for people who are not invested in it or who have not seen any part of it, this is just a long story ride. So that's my overall premise for why this movie could have problems.

[00:08:39] So basically, it's too long and you need to have information like the need to know what's going on in order to appreciate it. Yes, so it's too long and for people who have a full appreciation of what's going on, you have to have watched all the movie's,

[00:08:56] 24 or 22 movies to get like all of the easter eggs that they're placing now. Okay, well ladies and gentlemen, let me talk you through adventures endgame and the culmination of the infinity stone saga that's tronch of the MCU.

[00:09:19] This is the grand finale and I think it's signified through it being essentially two movies three hours long each so six hour grand finale that is closing out. The storyline of 10 years like we said before and like 20 plus movies.

[00:09:42] And of course it's it's it's giving people that have followed the saga more closely a little more fulfillment because they can get those easter eggs, but I think you can enjoy this movie without being in the know and kind of getting all these easter eggs.

[00:10:02] There's ultimately the core of this is kind of a classic old tale of can you if you could change history, would you do that and what you do it for for your loved ones right like what what you and what what need to happen for you to to alter the path of reality in a sense and

[00:10:28] the events of infinity wars and losing 50% of all living creatures on earth is that event would try to get back to a point where we can avoid having this happen and not lose loved ones in the process.

[00:10:50] And the brilliance of end game is that it is really taking its time to. Have us be at peace with the characters that we know will no longer join us for this MCU journey and we do that through multiple paths basically we see some clear deaths.

[00:11:17] And people like one of some of these heroes die and they're gone like that some choose to just live their happy life and.

[00:11:27] And what all combined them is that in their time journeys they all have the opportunity to connect with loved ones that they thought we're gone and they all had this this one moment again that they rekindled the fire.

[00:11:50] To fight for what's right and you know to to protect the planet and bring back other loved ones that people are missing as well. So ultimately this movie is a big tale of love and. In genuity and he wrote a actions we've all done it.

[00:12:16] No, he wrote it and he wrote it. He wrote it because it was got to say we've all seen America's ass now so multiple times. So it's. Yeah, so it's it's a very personal story, but it's all told through the super bombastic action filled.

[00:12:39] Right and yes, it's taking its time, but I think having this little breathing room and giving characters chance to grief first because they lost loved ones and then come to terms with okay how can we do this like what do we risk.

[00:12:56] Because I think at the core is Tony Stark with. With having built a new life and a new family after the blip. And being pretty content aside from losing Spider-Man. Being pretty content with his kid and his wife. And his life on the on the on the lake.

[00:13:17] So it's. It's really this like okay, what do I give up for for the alternative right so it's. I think it's a very compelling film. The action is great. It's really the grand finale like a like fireworks.

[00:13:32] It's the grand finale where everything is just being blown up and it's a great film. Yeah, it's it's. I'm going to say even from the perspective of somebody who is not a fan of the show who had not seen all the previous movies.

[00:13:50] I can see how some of the chaos for this film were a little bit over stretched. Let's look at the character thought for example. Uh, character thought. Going through about depression suddenly becomes enough because he is now a factor. Which is a weird way to show.

[00:14:19] Uh, a fall from grace. And then you know they have all this weird fat jokes in between trying to say because he's now a bigger man. All of a sudden he's another powerful as he was before. Very very lazy writing.

[00:14:37] And you know, he's character has morphed and if you had known his character for the very first film all the way to that last one. You would see that his character has been inconsistent throughout.

[00:14:49] So I didn't want more inconsistencies to the story where he's all of a sudden a mama's boy who can live without his mom and in his talk with his mom. And in some periods even forgets the mission he's in.

[00:15:04] Uh, just to have a conversation with his mom it just feels weird. Um, there are a couple of very weird loopholes in the way they're talking about the show.

[00:15:16] For example, you know, Miss Marvel comes in and says hey if I was here in the first one, you probably wouldn't have lost. And you know they give her this huge amount of power.

[00:15:29] Um, and for some reason she can blow up planes right but fighting one and one with what he got it. Thanos in one minute. She's beating it, beating him up the next minute. He's just flying across the scene, uh, unable to control herself.

[00:15:51] So it's like very, very weird power set. Let's talk about Antman, you know one of the things that he talked about was you know what is this power set? We see that he plunged a ship at a very end of the film.

[00:16:06] But that was because he was huge. But when he was small, he was able to keep the briefcase across the room. What is Antman's power set? Is he does he get stronger with how big he is? Does he maintain this power irrespective of size?

[00:16:24] So that means if he was small, he would have been able to punch the ship. All of these questions are many more interesting to this film. And if you're watching this movie with any skeptical eye, you will start to see a lot of inconsistencies.

[00:16:38] For example, how the Dr. Strange can everybody has it. So they can listen to each other. How can you know, Spider-Man who's always, um, wary about killing set his machine to kill and just kill so many people or so many aliens? We never see that happen in cartoons.

[00:17:04] What gives him the ability to do so doesn't he care about life in this scenario? I don't know. I think that there's a lot going on in this movie. And for somebody who hasn't seen any of it, it just feels like noise, like noise.

[00:17:21] And honestly, it can be overwhelming in some areas. If you would understand the relationship between Natasha and Bruce Banner will be solely confused, because at no point in that movie did they feel close?

[00:17:40] Why did Natasha's death feel so, you know, what did their fake Bruce Banner so much? Unexplained. Why is Bruce Banner now walking around the Hulk? I mean, he provided some funny scenes when he landed and we saw the original Hulk who look kind of horrible.

[00:17:58] You can actually see like the progression in the animation as time went down because Bruce Banner version of Hulk was much better than the old one. And you saw the comedy that was introduced when he's now like, or breaking the cars into small bits.

[00:18:14] It feels like his heart was not in it. But yeah, there's a lot of convenient story plots. You know, the Hulk conversation with the dad was weird. Doesn't say I am man and his dad. The conversation pegging and Captain America is just staying at her true to window.

[00:18:36] But if you never noticed him, it was not an invisible window. But you can see through some of those scenes felt very weird and very forced.

[00:18:49] It made me feel like telling the villain, where everybody, when he tried to give everybody some level of purpose to try to understand the very end of the film. But it never really plays out. It never really works out.

[00:19:04] But yeah, I think that the visual effects scene should be paid more because they made this movie. Feel epic.

[00:19:16] But in doing so, they created so much noise that at the end of the movie, it felt like a roller coaster where you just run into water and it's like everything is just coming into your face and you're like, oh my god!

[00:19:32] I cannot seem to grasp one element of this film that I can hold onto. Yeah, that's my ticket.

[00:19:43] Yeah, I think if we take it as, you know, at face value as what this is and it is a memorializing that section of the MCU, that tronch, that timeline, I guess.

[00:20:02] And really bringing that to rest. I think it's a fantastic way to do this because it is really going out with the bang. And it is, it's hard coming back to a lot of the character motivations that we've seen throughout the years for each of these, right?

[00:20:18] So Tony Stark having daddy issues in a way. Like you mentioned, or Captain America and his lust love that he ends up going back to. And we have multiple versions of that.

[00:20:39] I think what is really interesting in this film is that it's, if you think about it, it is basically a rerun of infinity wars. But this time it's the good guys get the stones and the good guys go on a stone-hiced.

[00:20:57] It's different, but then one key moment which was the, one of the big emotional moments in infinity wars getting that yellow stone is basically replicated here again, right? With with Harkai and like we don't.

[00:21:17] And one of them has to sacrifice themselves and it's kind of a fight for who gets to do that, which is interesting. Right? And it's playing out very similarly then in infinity wars to a sense.

[00:21:32] Infinity wars was a little more brutal I think because Thanos just got rid of Gomorrah basically.

[00:21:39] But you know, we have, we have these beats that are very familiar. I think that's what this film series is really banking on it's it's banking on the familiarity that you've built with these characters over time over years over all these films.

[00:22:01] And is giving them a proper standoff and giving them a proper goodbye and entering in a new era of the MCU. And like I said, it's, it's the big finale, it's the culmination. And it's done pretty well. I think the action is done really well.

[00:22:21] And the effects are really good. And it's it's fascinating that it starts like if we just kind of constructively go back to the beginning of this film right fairly quickly, we get to a point where we find Thanos just hanging out doing gardening.

[00:22:40] And then you know he's killed and then it's like, what now right there's nothing we can do.

[00:22:48] And we can't see but that's what happens right. We have another two and a half hours ago and we figure out how to get to these films and other films to control time and kind of do do all that I think it's so it's such an interesting concept that you have this group of superheroes that all have this strength of weaknesses and they all get to shine in their own specific ways.

[00:23:15] And I think that's that's so well done in this film and such a good representation of how good superhero movies deal with multiple superheroes.

[00:23:28] So I think we've seen a lot of films that are super hero movies that do not know what to do with with some of these people and that gets tired some I think this the DC universe has suffered a lot from that.

[00:23:44] So as as a Marvel film goes this is one of the best and I'm sticking to that. You know the interesting thing that you keep talking about is the fact that I just brought up it's like if you know the characters well enough.

[00:24:02] You will gain some satisfaction but if you don't know the characters this movie just feels like a lot of noise and you know if a movie in the penently of all the movies will be a movie as a standalone. That cannot that cannot be overlooked.

[00:24:23] It's a film like one of the floors with Marvel movies in general is that the consequences of the films and not high enough. Like we lost so many people in the first film have to a population of the world.

[00:24:45] It feels like to conclude it into one whole film. I let go of one of the best villains in one film felt like a big loss. I felt like if they had dragged this movie for a while with better stories.

[00:25:07] You try to bring back characters at different clips could actually benefit it from this because you know after the end of the game we've had we have a big vacuum and we don't have it would have good enough villain to match what we've seen.

[00:25:24] It was like all the creative ideas were just put into this one film and it felt like a lot. And you know the consequences was just two movies and every single person we've lost is amazing. It's been a great time.

[00:25:44] It's returned and it seems like the idea of time where some people have aged five years and some people just came back from none existence just feels a little bit incoherent because you know as you watch more Marvel movies now a lot of that feels weird.

[00:26:04] I felt like you know. No but the spider-man thing is another parallel but reversed right so I think that's kind of the.

[00:26:13] The the motif in this film and like the two films that we have right where the roles are reversed in the first one infinity wars spider-man dies and Tony Stark is kind of having to live with that and then this one that's the other way around and it's playing very similarly.

[00:26:32] But it's hitting different. Right anyway because it's like Tony Stark did have his chance to shine and save the world right because you know that that's ultimately really that year but I just wanted to drop it so that continue.

[00:26:48] But I think that also it's like some of the things that happen in the other movies are not reflected in this one you know the fact that you know corporate ports has powers.

[00:27:00] That she gained in Iron Man 3 never touched on again so it feels like the inconsistencies of some of the characters just came into came to four of you.

[00:27:13] The characters like Black Panther just felt underused characters like Dr. Strange felt underused so fans of Dr. Strange I mean, but comber bitch pump. But it did come about.

[00:27:32] That's how incredible intricate hand movements and he can make it feel good but almost all the wizards in that film all they just kept doing was just rolling their hands in the setting direction bending in one way.

[00:27:44] It was basically like a pilate session and they'll just do this and then they'll act like a severe saying something you know meaningful.

[00:27:52] And I think that's the way the point of if you've not been a fan and you just watching this movie like this is your first one all of it just feels weird.

[00:28:03] But yes, it's I mean, I think all the points that I've made I think I'm just going to go around this circle so we can go into the sidebar and I can talk a little bit more about my overall feelings about the film. Let's go there. Oh, roll.

[00:28:18] Hi, Bob. guilty. Back in my chain stop people on the witness arrest like a totally be lawyers sidebar. All right. Sidebar. Okay. Let's talk about the elephant in the room. Did I like this film? Yes. No.

[00:28:34] Did I think that as a fan of the film like all the characters were done justice? No. And I think this is the, this is a big problem with making movies with so many characters. It feels very difficult to like focus on one particular story.

[00:28:55] I felt the very first like 45 minutes to one hour with just long and studgy. I think that you know we could have really wound that.

[00:29:04] I mean, we had a scene with a director in a room with Captain America talking about how it feels to live in that particular time.

[00:29:11] I don't know what the point of that scene was because we could have gotten that scene effect from almost all the other things that Captain America did. We know that we were sad. We saw Black Widow cry. We've seen the Hawkeye and Black Widow.

[00:29:29] I mean, that scene was more effective in portraying the level of melancholy that was going on at that particular time. So it felt like they were overusing. I would say, Gretuchia, Gretuchius, you know what I'm trying to say?

[00:29:48] It was a Gretuchius, yes, it was Gretuchius in the way that we're trying to. And then we were trying to cram so much data into the film. I feel like they could have caught a lot of things out.

[00:30:01] They made the title script that's scriptwriter and shooting that moment from the very beginning to where how long you took for the things to start getting interesting. Also, the timeline problems are where the time, when you're fighting with the master of time on Dr. Strange's campus.

[00:30:25] She's talking about how getting the stones would create a new timeline. And they talked about the fact that when you go into the past, you don't change the future. Those are two different explanations. Hawke said we could come back and return the stones to that particular time.

[00:30:47] But the future will always be the future for the people whose timeline work was created. But the way they explained it was like we could go back to the past and there will be no future.

[00:31:00] And we'll stop that future from ever happening, which goes against the earlier explanation of how time works. So it seems like this movie was written by a lot of folks with different ideas of how time works. And the inconsistency was just all over the place.

[00:31:18] But was it a satisfying role or a coaster? Yes. There were some really great lines. Ironman at the very end was a throwback to the first film and I loved it. So I'm going to give you some time to talk. Yeah, yeah. I wasn't into this.

[00:31:38] And I remember I wasn't into infinity war either because it's like, it's yes, it's like this is fan service. Right? Like we talked I think we talked about fan service before in different films.

[00:31:50] But this is like the essence of it. Like bottled up and slab Johnny Depp and the commercial and you know, it's it's It's the writing is not very good. So like you said, the time stuff is funky and they try to be like wink wink.

[00:32:10] Like we are aware of time travel movies are always kind of funky. The rules are back to the future are off and blah blah blah. But just like come on. Just gotta be something else you can do here.

[00:32:23] Ultimately, I think the one of the big problems I have is the the complete power randomness of things. Like Thanos, like you said, Captain Marvel comes in and she's able to destroy a ship

[00:32:43] and just flying through it which reminded me of the Star Wars time when it happened in an in one of the new Star Wars films do is like the same way that's coming from.

[00:32:52] But but it's like so she's able to do all that but she's not able to fight this one bad guy right? So I feel like the she's already there to be this this overpowered character but even she's not able to do it. I don't know.

[00:33:09] I just don't buy it because it's I always thought he has the power because he has the stones, but at that point he didn't have any stones. So it's like where's the place all that coming from?

[00:33:18] I think the grand finale when all these portal show up and then you know, all the people from Wakanda show up and it's it's so fan service but it's so lazy. And it's I know at the time it was just big thing and it was just big like,

[00:33:37] you know, grow power because then we we get all these female characters together and kick some butt and it's just boring in a way. And then you said something about and man what does and man's power? I don't know. I don't know.

[00:33:58] I think we have a bunch of characters here that. Well, and men is there to to get the plot moving because he understands how to move through time or he has an anything to do that. That's that's basically why is there.

[00:34:10] But we have a bunch of characters that are there but don't do anything. We have to act many from the guardians. And drags mantis. Rocket is there just mentioned a couple times but he's not really doing anything. Crew does not doing anything. Right?

[00:34:31] And then Star Lord is kind of not doing anything either. So it's like we have all these characters and it's like this Leo de Caprio meme right? We're just pointing at the TV and it's like, I know this person but they're not doing anything.

[00:34:46] And that does not make a great film. I don't think. And it's also, yeah, it's kind of a rehash of the first half. So it really kind of questions my like why couldn't we write one movie that might be four hours long?

[00:35:06] But that gets a lot of these points across. Right? Like and I mean reason being money obviously. But it's kind of a frustrating watch. Even even if you consider having watched all 20 whatever films beforehand and getting all the references, sure that might be the epic culmination of everything.

[00:35:30] But it's is it still a good like is it this story wise? Is it a good film? I don't think so because not a lot happens. They're basically trying to revert infinity wars. And that's it. Right? With a lot of talking in the film.

[00:35:48] So you're saying that as a two part I'm not a lot of happened because we're trying to revolve. Return back to the norm. In a sense yes, I agree. But I think as this film one of the biggest problems I had was that too many things were happening.

[00:36:04] And the impact of the of some of the fight scenes were a little bit lost. Look at that's the good. Let's get one impact and we can compare to this one.

[00:36:17] The impact of the train scene where Black will and her boyfriend would be in attack by some of Thanos' men in a train station. And as they're fighting, the troll things get really dicey and somebody chose a spare.

[00:36:39] And guess what catches it after the America appears from the shadows comes out. And everyone's like, whoa incredible Captain America. I was like, man what an awesome scene compared to this one where everybody shooting at all the guys down there and then they turned their arrows. What?

[00:37:01] What it shouldn't have. Oh, Captain Marvel just comes in and she just blows up all the place doesn't have to say me impact. I felt like the, I mean I've watched Infinity War several times but I've watched the end game twice.

[00:37:15] Kind of shows my level of expectation for this to move as a complete movie it feels good because Infinity War does a lot of the impact. And then this one just delivers like the final nail in the coffin.

[00:37:35] So he's like you have a 7 out of 8 out of 10 film plus a 5 out of 10 film but way combined with two of them it becomes a 7 out of 10 series. That's kind of how it is.

[00:37:50] And if I got if you watched all the other movies, a lot of some of the scenes there are feeling packed for you.

[00:37:56] Right it felt impactful like the fact that spider mine just comes out after watching this first one and it's like I feel I feel kind of weak Tony and then he comes out and there was like oh my god.

[00:38:08] I was feeling weak and I just disappeared and it came back and it's he's telling me it's finally it's later it's like oh okay well that feels nice you know I've gone through a whole bottle depression I have a kid now but there is it's the battle.

[00:38:22] The fact that they were trying to do a time travel in the middle of the battle scene with Antman and the truck another bad decision that was going on. And when did Antman go from being a high thief to understanding quantum physics significantly.

[00:38:42] Who knows yeah this is what you just feels yeah. You bring up a great point and I think the the reason why out of these two infinity wars is is the stronger film is because that one is writing on.

[00:39:00] On all the films beforehand and showing us how superheroes always eke it out at the end and they're always able to save the day. And infinity wars is the one where everybody gets beat down.

[00:39:14] Right everybody loses there's no chance for them to win and that's kind of interesting because like we've we've always had this like expectation that they will be able to eke it out. And this is the turnaround where they are able to eke it out.

[00:39:32] But it's not interesting anymore like I feel like we've had the heart we've gone through the heart emotions of loss already. And it was tough but it was also kind of good because you cannot always win.

[00:39:51] And now it's like you know like all that was for nothing basically because we were able to eke it out again right and it's like kind of frustrating a little bit.

[00:40:06] Yeah it's I don't know it's it's kind of good this that's with with this film the MCU has kind of lost a little bit of the appeal like everything after seemed like we're still making money, but it's not as as a controlling story arc as they hoped and I'm kind of happy for it because I hope that they are able to.

[00:40:35] And take a step back and just kind of be like okay what are we doing here how can we tell stories again that aren't engaging and interesting. And yeah I mean then this is writing a lot on the history of of the MCU right like.

[00:40:54] And I mean the the scene that you mentioned right it a transient and infinity wars like that's one of the first where they get a beat down and it's. It's interesting anyway because that never happened before. And then never were in the like super overpowered.

[00:41:14] Like there's no chance all hope is gone kind of kind of vibe and so yeah yeah. Which also brings up. We sort of which also brings up a very weird scenario because I remember in that scene black widow was.

[00:41:34] Was almost was beating down by to subordinates of Thomas, but for some reason in this one. She's able to fight on us without she without any worry whatsoever it's like what changed I guess maybe she was super angry.

[00:41:52] But the power said there's some link of system and I think that's one of the bigger problems with this. Yeah I mean and and if you think about. You know if we get technical now right it's like okay to spend five years with. No real.

[00:42:12] And tag any right no no baddies to fight really it seems like right so why why even stay. Stay in 100% physical shape and like be ready for war again.

[00:42:25] And the job of that yeah but so this a lot of that if you think about just kind of like what is this and it's when admin comes back and it's going to San Francisco to it's.

[00:42:42] It's like okay what it's it's just it just takes its time and in one on one hand it's I there's something good about it but on one on the other hand it's also like oh my god like you said you stopped about an hour in.

[00:42:58] They still haven't figured out how to travel time at that point. Can we get the plot moving for. Please give me a to a boy was something is happening.

[00:43:11] And it's all played for stupid laughs too right when when when and then going back in time with the car machine and then he's he's a teenager and the baby old man and back. It's just like oh god the whole fat door thing is.

[00:43:30] Just kind of a bore right so it's just like it's it's I remember it was such a meme at that point too right and it's like oh fat or was a big thing it's like.

[00:43:43] The end of the day it's not very interesting because nothing happens we just spent a lot of time wasted on making. Fatch jokes and it's like it's not really. I'm going to bring in the story forward here so yeah it's kind of a frustrating watch in a way.

[00:44:02] Yeah I can see that is it's you know I think that they they decided they decided to go in some very interesting directions with some of the decisions they made with that.

[00:44:15] There's not much I can add to this movie it was good it was satisfying for people who love the series. But I can see you know the argument is does it deserve to be the IMDB 250 and that is a totally different conversation yeah yeah for sure.

[00:44:33] Another fight for freedom will be up in the next one. Brave heart. Brave heart good old days good old days back where merciless and wasn't that lunatic. Yeah I wasn't so pro-native. Oh okay cool.

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