Episode 82 - Braveheart

[00:00:16] Welcome to Movie Mistrial! The podcast where we will find about how accurate INDB's touch 250 movies of all time are. My name is Johannes, and I'm a COVID-written raji. Today we're discussing another epic film on this playlist. cine travel through Scotland's Highlands, Braveheart,

[00:00:41] Braveheart is Mel Gibson's second film as a director and did one human ask of a best picture and direction. For a mountain of horse to embark on a quest for revenge and liberty, I have to ask you, where am I mask? How are you doing?

[00:00:58] I feel like I should put on a vein effect now. Oh, Mistrial! That sucks when you have it man, it sucks when you have it man. I will go to Casabalnita this week. No, nice. Have you ever heard of Casabalnita from Nope?

[00:01:16] Oh, okay, so Casabalnita is this Colt-y restaurant in Denver. Yeah, even made it onto South Park. Because it's ridiculous to have cliff divers in the restaurant and it apparently is very big.

[00:01:34] The food was supposed to be terrible and there was supposed to go down, but then the South Park dudes bought the place for renovated it and kind of brought it back because they like this meat and stuff.

[00:01:45] So, yeah, like a year ago I got on the waiting list and then I got an email saying, hey, you can book a table. So I'll introduce the monitor this week. I'm looking forward. I'm prepared to be well-empt.

[00:01:59] The interesting thing is that under real estate it calls the Colt-y themselves to give us restaurant in the world. Well, yeah. 60,000 South Park fans are still waiting to eat a Casabalnita. Yeah, cheese.

[00:02:17] Wait, so what is the interest in Casabalnita? Is it the food that is bad or is it the food just good? What's the story here? Well, as far as I understand, it was legendary because like I said, inside it's all decked out.

[00:02:31] I don't know, like, I don't know if you've ever been to one of those. Right? And so it's like this very heavily themed restaurant with, yeah, I think there's a puppet show in there and there's a magician and there's all sorts of things in this gigantic restaurant.

[00:02:51] And there's a gigantic waterfall cliff type of deal. And every 20 minutes they have cliff divers to like cliff diving tanks. The food was always terrible. That's whatever.

[00:03:05] It was always terrible food. Apparently they hired good chefs for this one, but I also heard from friends that went already that the food doesn't improve.

[00:03:17] So we will see. So it's not, it's not necessarily about the food. It's more about kind of the meme of it all at this point. I think it's so bad that it's good. Because it's one of those fascinating things. I'm seeing some of the waterfall images online.

[00:03:32] It's interesting. I think it's more of a situation where the experience is is a lot more interesting than the food itself. Yeah. So why not? Do a quick little trip to Denver and go to a restaurant. How about yourself? You have COVID. So that's not something.

[00:03:53] I have COVID. Don't write letters. But I think that one of the interesting things is that I have COVID on this weekend where the rap game, I think the last episode we were talking a little bit about how Kendrick Lamar and Drake were going after each other.

[00:04:16] This is the week after, but the episode is coming out two weeks after that one. And it went crazy. So Drake responded on Friday with a banker. And then it was such a good song. Everybody was expecting that stuff to trend.

[00:04:33] And then within 30 minutes, Kendrick Lamar responded with his own song that kind of like eliminated all the momentum for Drake. And then on Saturday he released a new song, which was like a banker. So just imagine everybody just dancing to your grave. That's basically what it feels like.

[00:04:53] So I'm, you're down, but I'm kicking you and everybody's just dancing on your corpse. It's very fascinating to see. I love rock music. My music is for me one of the best kind of music out there.

[00:05:07] And this is one of the reasons why it's so direct. You really have to be with the step up you're getting. Yeah. Anyway. Well, it's good. It's good. I am completely shielded from all of that drama. But I live by Carrier's lead through you here.

[00:05:23] It's going to come. You was that scene in the news. It's going to pop out. There's no way that this kind of big stuff doesn't like push into your own periphery.

[00:05:33] You're just going to see it and then you'll see it headline about Drake and he'd be like, ah, that's what Rajee said. But it's cool. It's cool. Yeah, cool. I'm glad to hear that. Very strong. A very strong. Yeah, give it.

[00:05:53] I know what things that are not cool. Braveheart. Oh, do I show my cards? Yes, I show my cards. So brave heart. I've only seen before seeing the whole thing. I've only seen clips like the famous clips. And he's been writing up in the makeup.

[00:06:15] Oh, and the freedom thing. That's kind of it. It's all I knew from this. And I was kind of surprised and shocked that that scene happened midway through. Like I thought that was going to be a combination of everything.

[00:06:31] But it wasn't. Well, it was your exposure to Braveheart. I watched Braveheart in high school. It would be honest with you. I watched it like in the pick of the 90s. So like 97, 98 and the movie has a special place in my heart growing up because

[00:06:50] The story was designed so well for you to roof on a main character that, you know, it's very interesting. So, you know, rewatching it today. After, you know, the future has happened for Mel Gibson.

[00:07:06] And movies like Passion of the Christ, Apocalypse, you start to see things that's where just burgeoning in that film. But it's interesting. I think that depending on where I go with this, I will, I'll be more than happy to talk about it more.

[00:07:22] I'm not going to give you clues to what I'm going to say. Alright, before we could start arguing, let me set here at Smopsis. Braveheart is a historical epic directed by and starring Mel Gibson.

[00:07:35] The film tells the story of William Wallace, a Scottish warrior who leads a rebellion against English oppression in the late 13th century. Driven by the desire for vengeance after the brutal execution of his wife, Wallace inspires his fellow scots to fight for the freedom and independence.

[00:07:51] As he battles for the formidable forces of King Edward I, Wallace's courage and leadership become legendary. Though his journey is marked by intense personal and political struggles, Braveheart is celebrated for its stirring battle scenes in emotional depth

[00:08:07] and it's portrayal of the indomitable spirit of those who fight for the freedom. For freedom, live liberty and pursuit of happiness in Scotland. I mean, one other thing when I was watching at last night, it was like, oh, this could be a funky version of Fargo,

[00:08:27] because the way they talk to worry about me very much of like Fargo. It's kind of hilarious. But you were saying you don't know where you stand on the argument side. Let's split a coin. That's what it has. A little bit of a head. That's it.

[00:08:49] Jeez, every week now, I'm going to give you the opportunity to talk to guests this film. I'm going to talk for it from all right. You're trying to do the hard on. So I have something actually mentioned that it seems like you're trying to give yourself a challenge.

[00:09:09] You like to do that. That's what it is. It's not necessary, not every week. Well, look at it. So let's go. The witness will address this court as judge or your own. Ladies and gentlemen, and your honor, it's very hard.

[00:09:27] It's telling us a lot about Mel Gibson as a person way before the world understood how crazy that person is, because if you just look at this film, everything is already there. The homophobia is there. The kind of misogyny is there.

[00:09:45] The hyper religious kind of stuff is there. And it's not very subtle. It's very obvious. And that's one of the main frustrations I have with this film. So let's start with the homophobia. We see the son of the king and his marriage.

[00:10:05] And he very obviously is wearing makeup, like he has a little blush on his cheeks. It's very pale, but a little blush a little lip-y. And it's like, oh, okay, they're not subtle at all about this. This dude is gay and infuriated me.

[00:10:24] And then they did the whole like gay thing with this lover. And we're talking about 1300 Scotland here, right? So or England, I guess in that case, like not cool, not happening. I don't think he would wear makeup in that sense, even if you're the king son.

[00:10:47] Because the king is against the whole stuff. But what it tells me is, oh, we gotta be very overt and then you know, clue everybody in this dude's gay. And that's not what we like and it for it to infuriated me.

[00:11:04] He's also getting the his lover is getting the, oh, let's throw you out the window with thing. And it's not nothing happens after that. Nothing, the son, the prince is not really morning even, which is wild to me.

[00:11:21] Which is just showing me that okay, we acknowledge there's a homosexuality here. But we're making fun of it because all gays wear makeup. And then when something tragic happens, like we don't even get to suffer. And then we'll see the suffering and see the heartbreak.

[00:11:40] And no, it me, it won't be greatly. The Jesus stuff when he's wielding at the end for his voice, for his execution. And it's like, oh my god, he is Jesus because he's tied up on a cross. And it's like, what are we doing here?

[00:12:00] He's the big martyr. He's not gonna get re-insurrected for your sins. Jesus Christ. It's, it's really bad. And then the way the women are treated, I think there's three female actors in this.

[00:12:17] And he's basically loved with all of them. Of course he is because he's the main dude. Wild to me, very wild. They're all pretty ladies. He looks way too old. Like when they filmed this, he was 38. The actual person died when he was 35.

[00:12:37] He looks way too old and it's creepy as hell. So fundamentally, I have a lot of issues with this film. And I don't even go into the story. But if we go into the story, like the thing that I found fascinating is that it's now looking back,

[00:12:56] it looks a lot like a lot of the rings. How a lot of the rings start. There's a lot of parties, a lot of going to landscapes and it's pretty. And something bad happens. I understand this film was before that of the rings.

[00:13:10] But structurally it's almost like they read the lot of the rings books and then try to apply that to 1300 sc. But yeah, on a fundamental level, I really, really dislike this film. I'll give you a sec, for a moment.

[00:13:28] You know, I think it's very important that we remove the time from the present. It's always, like I think we've talked about this in a few movies that we've reviewed. Always interesting to look back as some of this films that we think aged poorly.

[00:13:47] But you have to make it from the cubicle of the time it was created. And this movie you want to let us outwards.

[00:13:56] One more gives you an Oscar. He won for best in a matter of roughly, you know, best original score and the soundtrack was amazing for this film. I think that it did a good job highlighting the divisters of Scotland.

[00:14:13] It made you feel like you want to go to Scotland. You need to feel like you want it to be there. It's like writing on the horse on a man's horse, I should say. And just writing up the heels up the mountains running up.

[00:14:30] It felt like what a lot of the rings eventually became. It's like it's the first stone. And it's like it's difficult to think about any other movie that did a lot of this things in our previously.

[00:14:45] It's almost like this movie had to walk, sit at the lot of the rings can run. Take that to the back. So I mean, the villains are what you call it, a characteristics of the time. Steve, the character, yes, very stereotypical.

[00:15:07] I will say that, you know, the bad guy had a lot of really good one line. It was like one of them was the problem with Scotland is that it's full of scots.

[00:15:20] And, you know, right before he truly kid out the window, he said, who is this person who speaks to me as though I need a dad vice. And then he trossed him out of the window. So what are the things that I would say is that,

[00:15:34] well, give us some of those how to make satisfying films. And if you've watched his movies, apocalyptic, if you are into that kind of violence and you know the interesting thing was after we finished watching the movie, my wife wanted me to watch the Patreon through him.

[00:15:52] And the interesting thing was as I was watching the Patreon, the exact same characteristics of the original film of Braveheart in the Patreon. But bad guy was just bad, simple anybody who watches his film can understand what's going on.

[00:16:07] The good guy was good, all decisions was brought on influence by God. And so anybody who watched the film would have no, would have no, would have no, would have no, would have no, would have no, would have no, would have no.

[00:16:31] What do you call it? Confusion on who to support? It's not like movies of today where there's like new ones where you have to be like man, you know, what's his name from the Avengers was right Thanos was right, you know,

[00:16:47] the impact you see on screen were very cool to watch. And I don't think a lot of people didn't move his like that. I mean, it was very violent for the time. So I think a violence was satisfying. I will give him that. So yeah, good, good film.

[00:17:03] I'll give it back to you. Okay, yeah, you said the musical is good and I would agree if you stop listening to the music like I have to have an hour because it's just repetitive and it's it's soup,

[00:17:17] like at some point it gets super cheesy because it's it's like they have three or four motifs that that keep on bringing up. And that that greater, yeah, it's a point too. I think the so one thing I noticed that if if this movie happened made recently,

[00:17:42] structurally storytelling, why it's a would have been done differently. This is a very linear hero's journey type of story and we see. And I think to the degree we don't need to see all of that. And what I say about that is we have the call to action.

[00:18:08] The presumed call to action for our main hero. When he's a kid, when he sees that his that goes off to fight and doesn't come back.

[00:18:18] That's the first call to action kind of first set of motivations to get all buff and you know, fight forwards or I can freedom.

[00:18:27] Now the reason I'm saying is we don't need that is because we're getting another one who getting his love when he's coming back all buff and. He's he's getting a second call to action when he finds the love of his life also very cheesy by the way.

[00:18:48] I've always loved you because he gave me a flower back, but my when we broke that. But so he's he's coming and they they kill her and that is that is the second call to action for him and the.

[00:19:09] And I think structurally the problem is that we're wasting a lot of time on character development.

[00:19:17] That is not needed we don't need to see him in his kid form and see him go through the death of his father because nothing really changes if we didn't know any of it.

[00:19:30] There's one line later in the film that goes back to it and it's like, oh yeah ever since your father died, you're a blah blah blah.

[00:19:37] But but after that like this stronger motivation for him to go on this question for it to fight for liberty is the murder of his wife. So structurally I think that there's already a flaw.

[00:19:53] And nowadays the way they would solve this would be going in at the logical point when he is older.

[00:20:01] Again, he's looking way too old but when he's older they meet his wife and then later they would do a flashback to his kid to kind of tell us just like a quick quick like oh yeah by the way you know they also did this to his father to kind of further strengthening it I think we're losing a lot of wind.

[00:20:20] A lot of time spent on on this youth angle that is not really doing a lot for the for the character because it's not even setting up his wits too much like there would be the perfect opportunity to show us hey this is a clever dude he knows how to use whatever he like his brain he chose us how to use his brain to overcome.

[00:20:45] And unachievable things but we don't even see that so it's kind it's coming on a nowhere but that will happen to be perfect opportunity to introduce that. So at the end of the day right like I think this this film is very much like Gladiator.

[00:21:04] But Gladiator is a lot better this film is a lot like lot of the rings again acknowledging all of the rings came after but.

[00:21:15] So I think this film is just so cheesy and that's kind of the problem with it it's way too cheesy for what for it's all good way to sappy and it's. Yes it's brutal at some points but it's.

[00:21:38] It's that's not it really like it it just all comes to easy that's another thing there's no real struggle you know if we kind of think of the heroes journey like classic cliche kind of stuff.

[00:21:50] There's always in the middle there's always the struggle and we don't really see the struggle what they use as the struggle is actually the motivation struggle they use here is the murder of his wife but that's the kick off motivation of it all so structurally this films off in my opinion.

[00:22:10] I think that one of the things that you're doing is you are over analyzing what proof it is and you're trying to bring. Braveheart into the modern times one of the things you should realize that braveheart is just a revenge film.

[00:22:25] It's just a revenge it's like hyper revenge I mean his wife. was taking to a pillar and the hand-mec was. There's a slip you can connect and five minutes later he's walking there with the horse and his dude exact same thing to the.

[00:22:50] The one who was in the. The Detroit man the battlefield within five minutes he's on a horse. No explanation about how he got his horse to know explanation about. How nobody in this that the Lord's bodyguards could have stopped and walking into the castle with a horse.

[00:23:15] Five minutes later he's on a horse with a big metal bars what it I don't know what they call those things and he's smashing the guys head into the bed.

[00:23:25] It's a revenge film and I think that this movie was aimed as men who don't need explanations for anything that is going on a screen.

[00:23:35] It's a love story where love is just you know just bundle down to hey I see you and I'm already in love with you because we are looking at me. That's what braveheart is no complications whatsoever good music in the background you know.

[00:23:53] God action scenes for them you are on and. With a hint of homophobia as morning a hint it's just all over. It's all over the film but this is why 1995 years i played about 1995 the period of doughnasto and tell the period where.

[00:24:11] You know the conservatist I mean you have to become most gifts in now and think about how. his movies reflect the kind of person he is today. It's just a direct film from that perspective.

[00:24:27] So yeah, I think that the movie, you talk a little bit about how this movie influenced the lovely rings and gladiator, all of all films came out after it.

[00:24:43] And I have to say in some scenarios the first time you get to do something like that is the most difficult time. I think that the technologies they were very beautiful to people who did a lot of drinks that existed 1994, 1995.

[00:24:58] But allowed them to achieve better solution than we would have brave heart. But I'm going to ask you, was the story impactful? Did you have any remorse for him as it was wielding into a cart like Jesus? The imagery is just like writing your face.

[00:25:26] And I couldn't help but in a way sympathize. But I don't want to say too much. I don't want to undermine myself. So yes, that's my particular position. What did you take? You bring up revenge films and let's look at other revenge films that even come before this.

[00:25:53] Later I've seen Fred, was coffee. I don't know if you've ever seen coffee like a 70's Pam Greer, Blacks' rotation revenge film. Fantastic. Fantastic. But anyway, so that film was 90 minutes long and CEO FFY. That film was 90 minutes long and it's like right of the bed.

[00:26:16] We're being thrown into the story and later we get to understand why she's doing what she's doing. And her motivation is super clear at all times. And again, gladiator I think it's a good comparison too because it's also an ultimate revenge film.

[00:26:40] We start off with somewhat exposition of main character. Why he is so good, why he is so good, why we should root for him. Then his challenge, right, his motivation to go on a quest of revenge, his family is murdered.

[00:26:58] And we also see like that kicks off the whole film. And all the trials and tribulations that happen between his family being murdered and then him and the finale there are very motivated. I think where this film is failing instead it's confused and what we're fighting for.

[00:27:25] Because his motivation is the revenge and kind of a nice little sight course of that is liberty for Scotland. Right, for everybody else it's more about liberty for Scotland and for the elites of Scotland. It's more about self-preserver perseverance to keep what they're half.

[00:27:49] And we're not really aligned on what we're fighting for. And he's not a good enough leader to reign everybody in.

[00:27:59] And I think that's again, that's kind of a structural flaw in this film because the reason why he is fighting is kind of misaligned with the reasons why everybody else on his side is fighting.

[00:28:18] Because they're not fighting for for the loss of his wife. They're fighting for Scotland. He's selling it as, oh hey we're fighting for freedom but his ultimate kind of motivation is the loss of his life I think the problem is.

[00:28:36] We don't even see him agree really right so then it's a question of okay is that the problem is that is motivation or is that just a. We do that happened now I fight for freedom for my country.

[00:28:51] But then at all the time that we spent with his wife was kind of moved to right so it's like, I guess I just don't understand what this film wants to tell us because I think it's not clear enough in.

[00:29:12] And then because if he's fighting for a his wife, then it's confused in that everybody else is not fighting for his wife. So that's kind of a structure problem.

[00:29:26] If he's fighting not for his wife, why are we spending so much time on that and why are we selling it as the domain motivation to embark on this journey.

[00:29:36] So it's not so it's fundamentally I think the film is just problematic and has flaws that said aside from all the stuff that I started with the homophobia and kind of the sexism and then the religious stuff we and whatever right like that's just kind of.

[00:29:55] It's pretty close on top it's pretty close at suck right but it's it's like fundamentally just from sucks. Wow that's a very strong statement. I will say that.

[00:30:10] I think that one of the things that I want to be clear on is that disagree with you know his motivation his motivation was revenge.

[00:30:19] But for the killing of his wife who you made a secret and the selfish part was the fact that she did it in secret so that nobody else would know so that he would need to want to take her virginity.

[00:30:37] But then she died the next day so it's like I mean time doesn't really work that way in this film.

[00:30:43] But you know I can't really stay much without going to let my real position so I think we should go into the side by now can talk to you know about this. That's great. Oh roll. Hi Bob guilty.

[00:30:55] Hey, let's get this regard in my chain stop people on the witness arrest. We could totally be lawyers. Side by. All right. Okay. Let's let's all talk about the first time I watched Braveheart and now watching Braveheart. I've seen Braveheart like three, three, four times. Okay.

[00:31:13] A little bit of times I watched it was when I was younger and in this period of my life when everything was simple. The movie was a band for me and I really really loved Braveheart but I hadn't watched Braveheart for almost 20 years you know.

[00:31:32] Almost 20, 25 years and when I then coming back to watch it again especially with how far I have grown as a human being the movie just it feels dated. It feels more dated than a lot of the films I've watched.

[00:31:47] I think that the one thing that I really liked really bugs me. I mean, the the the the the the the the the the the the the home for me was bug me. I'm squatting me for completely I think that they it's they always felt like you know.

[00:32:06] Because he was a he was gay he was unable to do anything. Was unable to make decisions he was unable to. Actually. What's entirely false especially given the fact that sort of the best rulers in those times we get like I've decided to great.

[00:32:25] It doesn't even make any sense. All the characters were simple. Imagine. Every every submission in the movie was also simple he guys. Braveheart walks into a room where everybody is talking about the declaration they need to sign all the Scottish chiefs everybody was like.

[00:32:44] They were fighting their ideas, this is years and decades of infighting. And Brave had walks in and says, we need to stand against the English. We used to stand with me for the love of the Scottish people, where I'm not sure they didn't exist in those times.

[00:32:59] They had different tribes but fine, let's just go with that. Let's do it for the love of the Scottish people. And the Robert DeVouz just looks at him, gives him a handshake and that was the end of the conversation. The whole thing happened in two minutes.

[00:33:14] The whole solution to the problem happened in two minutes. I found the tactics to be very, very simple. Oh, I haven't even practiced with you. We rode here all night. Hey, just take your horses off the side and they live the British chroma dust

[00:33:33] and then all of a sudden we'll just flank them and they'll be the end of the fight. Oh, look at that. So we're running away. We're running through to mountain. Nothing wrong with that. Oh, snap. So many archers just appear out of nowhere. Are you the interesting thing?

[00:33:49] The archers appeared in that scene. But on bottom times, there was no archers. You noticed that they were only taking arrows from the English. They never fired back. This was the fact that it was established. They had archers. So, and obviously the princess and Brave had

[00:34:06] because the most unbelievable crock of nonsense I've ever seen. It's like the way you look at me is the reason why I'm going to risk my whole life and have sex with you and then as a king is dying, and she was specifying this, it's basically confessing

[00:34:23] that the seeds in me and not yours, which is the, how many points of our tyranny that she provided in this film? When she went into the scene and there were lots of soldiers, they were just got in Braveheart. What was it going to sell?

[00:34:42] She goes in as she says, when the king is almost dead and the sun is weak, who do you think is going to be ruling? I was just basically tyranny, who will be well-bellied and they just go, oh, okay, yeah, just go in. And you know what?

[00:34:58] She's like take this, it's not me or bunny. They kiss, she gives them the poison and after she gives them the poison, they kiss. I'm like, dude, you gave him the poison. Why are you kissing him right now? And she kisses him, she goes out crying

[00:35:18] and I'm like, why are you crying? You're the princess, got them it. And then he swallows, because I slurred that, I slurred it down, I watched it. He swallowed it. And then he spits out a big bowl like I said, oh, if you were doing a French kiss,

[00:35:34] you wouldn't know that they were liquid in this mouth. How did he how did he get all of that? It's like, it's so surface level. Braveheart is surface level. And he needs to turn off your brain. You need to turn off your brain to appreciate this film.

[00:35:48] Nothing wrong with the vistas. I think the vistas are still great. There's still elements of a lot of the rings in there. Come man, I don't think this movie should be in the talk 250 movies of all time. Number 82, she's now.

[00:36:01] I mean, it's a good film if you turn off your brain. But yeah, I think I'm, I mean, at least I've given you my full stuff. I still have my strong nostalgia for the film, like growing up, but I don't think I will be watching this movie.

[00:36:15] Unless I'm being forced to at some point. Maybe we did a re-dox, and we need to redo this film. I think that Braveheart is done for me. All right, what's your take? Yeah, I mean, you bring up a good point that it's so superficial.

[00:36:30] And it's, yeah, I mean, the more you think about this, the more stupid it gets. Like apparently we could travel so fast. Right? That's one of the things that the princess or her help her lady, like are able to just meet up with him whenever they want.

[00:36:59] He's just, he's still distracting as a main character because he, it, I brought it up a couple times but he looks so old and it's kind of weird that he's kind of flirting with this pretty young-looking women. Like that's a weird dynamic too,

[00:37:17] that I'm like, oh, this doesn't feel right. The Harry's fabulous though. But, but, I mean, like I said, the tactics are kind of bizarre. You would think that you'd have to, to kind of figure it out beforehand. And it's also wild that, like,

[00:37:41] England was like a superpower, right? Like, and I get this kind of this historical retelling, I think with a lot of liberties, there's a lot of inaccuracies. And this I'm sure, right? But, I guess the tale is, you know, if you're a scrappy and you're creative

[00:38:03] in your warfare, you have a chance. Okay, but again, it's not set up properly. Like the only reason why we like, why we accept that he's so smart and scrappy is because he's like, oh, you don't have to fight with your arms.

[00:38:20] You have to fight with your brain, right? And we see that in the fight with Brendan Gleason when he's fighting with the tiny rock, in not a big rock. It's so surface level. And to think for all the genres that this film is covering

[00:38:43] revenge, there's so many better revenge films. War movies, there's so many better war films. Drama, there's so many better dramas out there. So what sticks is the landscape stuff. And yes, it's super pretty, but you can also go to Middle-earth for that now, right?

[00:39:10] And you cover all of these topics without the homophobia and the sexism and all of that with better tactics, with better conversations, with flesh out characters. Everybody here is so surface level that it's really hard to feel for somebody. Brendan Gleason's dad is one of the bigger characters

[00:39:34] in this, but he goes out without a lot of fanfare and then Brendan Gleason doesn't get the space to really mourn, right? So that's another thing. It's like nobody is really ever mourning or like, you know, and it's like a big because it's a man's film, right?

[00:39:56] And it's like how dare you mourn because we cannot be vulnerable. It's social, annoying motions. Yeah, it sucks. It's just a very frustrating film. It's pretty, but it's frustrating. And it's unfortunate, I guess. I don't know, probably not. I mean, my Gibson made his money with this,

[00:40:19] but that's like one of the first things he made a lot of money with, I would assume. Screw him. Slow, slow, slow, slow, slow. Get me some. But like I said, like this film, if big then people had an open eye and saw like all these motifs

[00:40:41] and I understand, like big then we didn't look at films like that. Like it's all in the open. Like all his craziness is out in the open in this room, right? His direction, I read somewhere that he didn't cast himself.

[00:40:57] The studio wanted him because he had so much star power. He didn't cast himself because he felt he was to all, case of point. He is a little old in this. But the studio wanted him, but it's like, come on, I do.

[00:41:12] Like, I also have a hard time just story, who has had a hard time believing that these British or French women that are beautiful, look at the Scottish brute with long flowy hair and are like, yes. Yes, that's what I want. It's just frustrating.

[00:41:38] So yeah, not my favorite film. And I agree, you shouldn't be honest. Get away from me. I think one of the things that is quite annoying about this is that there's no, it wasn't even the period

[00:41:51] where it was in the 70s, where women were denigrated in a screen. There were a lot of moves to have women have more presence and their whole spill on screen shouldn't be just or on planning for the man. Even the James Bond franchises,

[00:42:08] the ones from the 80s, like, living day like, I had to stay to move away from the woman just being there for the benefit of the man, which is so, like, I agree just in this film. Like there was no urgency.

[00:42:25] The his wife, she only lived for his eyes. The princess only lived for his eyes. All she talked about was Braveheart. All she talked about was William Wallace. And the most irritating scene was when the princess made him arrived with the message saying,

[00:42:47] like, hey, we shouldn't need to talk. And the princess is getting away with murdering the king's men. I've heard left and right just to hang out with the boots, who, how does the king not even put two and two together?

[00:43:02] One of the most sinister kings we've had in a long time. How does it to you realize that's what's happening? Just to hang out at him and just say, hey, what are you doing this? Just because two people look at me. And I'm like, whoa, that is all.

[00:43:19] Wow, very, very, very, very, very, very, very stupid. But yeah, I think it's difficult to watch this film today without turning your brain off to give it the props because in reality there's no reason to think that all the agendas that you pushed in this film

[00:43:46] where even popular at that particular point, there had been gay films like Bird Cage that already existed that showed a lot of good characters. There were movies that were moving away from this whole one sighted look

[00:44:05] about things and I don't think I can point out every single scene in this movie where I just turned to my work from when I cringe. Like the scene where Robert de Brux seems him after he pulls off Robert de Brux's mask and he sees the betrayal.

[00:44:23] And then Oliver said in at the very end of the film, despite knowing that his father was betrayed by long shanks, he knows that Robert de Brux worked with long shanks during the back of it.

[00:44:36] He just walks into that place alone because he feels like this is the only way to solve the problem. Like everybody was telling him was a trap. It's so selfish. Anyway, I think that I'm not going to be the dead horse like Kendrick Lamar Beach Drake.

[00:44:50] But I think that I'm quite done. I'm very sure what else I can answer to that film. I think it's given it a thorough, a thorough web flash. I didn't like the film what you did now.

[00:45:04] Not probably loved it when I was a kid, but I don't like it now. Yeah. One of the things about growing up. Yeah. And that's a beautiful thing. Hey, speaking of a film that featured men with makeup. Next up, the Joker. Oh, the Joker. Oh, Joker. Joker.

[00:45:26] Not the Joker. So that movie is so high in the list. Did Joker? Yeah. The movie was kind of a lesson to me, it was. At the second part is coming out soon. So we can sort of show a mixed good.

[00:45:40] But I think every single time I see the trailer, I just go, well, where's Batman? Which one? One of them. And I'm looking forward to talking about the film. Yeah, sounds good. Until then, we could be fighters. You can find us on Instagram, the confiders on Facebook,

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