Journey through the sprawling saga of crime, friendship, and betrayal with Movie Mistrial as we delve into Sergio Leone's epic masterpiece, "Once Upon a Time in America."
Leone's magnum opus offers a rich, sweeping narrative that spans decades, weaving a poignant tale of loyalty and regret. The film's breathtaking cinematography, Ennio Morricone's haunting score, and Robert De Niro's powerful performance create an unforgettable cinematic experience that captures the essence of the American Dream and its darker undercurrents.
While "Once Upon a Time in America" is celebrated for its ambitious scope and artistry, some folks may find its non-linear structure and extensive runtime challenging.
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[00:00:16] [SPEAKER_00]: You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God.
[00:00:47] [SPEAKER_01]: The movie starts with a dinner and you're patient and limited role puts season veterans of mob films,
[00:00:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and James Wood, James Wood's who plays the character Max.
[00:00:59] [SPEAKER_02]: Upon release, the film was widely criticized due to the incoherence of its shorter linear cut.
[00:01:05] [SPEAKER_02]: However, with its restoration to the intended length and non-linear storytelling, it is now regarded
[00:01:11] [SPEAKER_02]: by a vocal minority as one of the all-time grades.
[00:01:15] [SPEAKER_01]: But before we board a drink from the radiator, I have to ask, how are you doing today?
[00:01:21] [SPEAKER_02]: I am doing great. I came back from a trip to Europe. It was fantastic.
[00:01:29] [SPEAKER_02]: And I could tell many stories about Europe but the thing that gives me joy in a weirdly stupid way
[00:01:37] [SPEAKER_02]: is a film that we've seen at its M-9's latest film, Trap.
[00:01:44] [SPEAKER_02]: The great of Trap?
[00:01:46] [SPEAKER_01]: Does it follow every single M-9 channel on a routine in this movie?
[00:01:53] [SPEAKER_01]: Is it as predictable? I think that when M-9 channel started, he was great because he was unpredictable,
[00:02:01] [SPEAKER_01]: but as every movie comes along, he has become more and more predictable.
[00:02:04] [SPEAKER_01]: I've seen the reviews of the movie. It's not great.
[00:02:08] [SPEAKER_01]: No. Is this one of the cases where M-9 channel is just being M-9 channeled on?
[00:02:14] [SPEAKER_02]: Yeah, it's so... So the pitch was great. The pitch is think of a serial killer
[00:02:20] [SPEAKER_02]: being at the arous tour of Taylor Swift. That pitch is cool.
[00:02:27] [SPEAKER_02]: Great idea. I think that M-9's M-9's forte is having great ideas.
[00:02:35] [SPEAKER_02]: His downfall is, he's not able to execute them because what we've got, it's kind of like
[00:02:39] [SPEAKER_02]: we have the arous to our home and what this movie is. So he wrote this for his daughter and
[00:02:47] [SPEAKER_02]: bless her heart. She's trying to be a music artist and they try to make it like she's a big star.
[00:02:55] [SPEAKER_02]: She unfortunately cannot pull it off into songs or so forgettable.
[00:03:00] [SPEAKER_02]: Does she wrote them? No.
[00:03:02] [SPEAKER_02]: Keep doing it. It's great. You know, do you think it's...
[00:03:07] [SPEAKER_02]: It's fine. It's nothing great in my opinion.
[00:03:12] [SPEAKER_02]: But who am I to say? This movie happens at a concert at a stadium concert and it just feels like
[00:03:21] [SPEAKER_02]: M-9 has never been to a stadium concert because none of this is how any of those works.
[00:03:29] [SPEAKER_02]: So in the middle of the concert, he and the daughter, so the main character, who's the killer,
[00:03:38] [SPEAKER_02]: in the middle of the concert. So his daughter is a big fan. They have floor seats.
[00:03:43] [SPEAKER_02]: And an element of the concert when they change the set. They go get some merch
[00:03:52] [SPEAKER_02]: and the daughter wants to have a T-shirt and she's like, oh I want that T-shirt and size S and then
[00:03:57] [SPEAKER_02]: this other person shows up right next to her. It's like, I was the first, I want that shirt in size
[00:04:02] [SPEAKER_02]: S and loan behold what happens is only one shirt left in size S. So what happens is the
[00:04:10] [SPEAKER_02]: set, just heart knit is like, well we can be nice. Let them have this shirt and then the merch
[00:04:18] [SPEAKER_02]: salesperson is like, oh you're such a wholesome loving family that's so nice come back in 10
[00:04:23] [SPEAKER_02]: minutes and we'll have another shirt in size S. It's like this is not how any of those works.
[00:04:28] [SPEAKER_02]: This is the manufacturing in the back. And it's the other instance that I thought was hilarious
[00:04:35] [SPEAKER_02]: in the middle of the show at some point stadium seats. It's a stadium show, they have floor seats
[00:04:43] [SPEAKER_02]: at some point they're right by the body aisle at some point the floor opens
[00:04:48] [SPEAKER_02]: and in the aisle where people walk usually and it's an egress kind of thing. So if an
[00:04:54] [SPEAKER_02]: emergency happens people need that aisle right the floor opens and and as piece of stage comes up
[00:05:01] [SPEAKER_02]: and some guest rapper shows up and there's no barricades around it there's nothing. It's crazy
[00:05:08] [SPEAKER_02]: dangerous would never happen especially on the floor of us like this is not how any of this works right
[00:05:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but then but then the dialogue that happens during a show is the dad is he's trying to find an
[00:05:20] [SPEAKER_02]: exit because there's police all over right and he's a serial killer they're looking for it.
[00:05:30] [SPEAKER_02]: Wouldn't that be fun if we check that out and she has she has the realistic
[00:05:38] [SPEAKER_02]: just rebuttler of like a no stopping weird because I'm here to watch the show
[00:05:46] [SPEAKER_02]: total one of crawling the in the rafters oh in the belly of the it's a lot of bad it's just like
[00:05:53] [SPEAKER_02]: sounds strange it's very strange and it's just like none of this is how any of this works like
[00:05:57] [SPEAKER_02]: you never been to a concert can you do a little bit of research and just ask if you can be
[00:06:03] [SPEAKER_02]: behind the scenes of a concert to figure out how any of this works to look at more believable please
[00:06:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but all that said it was it's classic at night where you think a kd ideas is great and like I liked
[00:06:16] [SPEAKER_02]: old it had weird dialogue to do cannot write proper dialogue to say there's like anymore I don't know
[00:06:23] [SPEAKER_02]: happened after his first films but it seems like the latest films are just cranked out or
[00:06:28] [SPEAKER_02]: he needs somebody that sits down and just helps him write the dialogue because that looks terrible
[00:06:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah it's still gay people because it's just so ridiculous how about yourself yeah you know
[00:06:40] [SPEAKER_01]: me I just finished I watched Deadpool I won't go too much into it but I will I will say that
[00:06:47] [SPEAKER_01]: for fans of the Fox version of X-Men they're gonna get a lot of band riff from this film I really
[00:06:57] [SPEAKER_01]: enjoyed the film great cameos interesting um recognition of bro brohood I guess and it had
[00:07:11] [SPEAKER_01]: surprising heart so I I really quite enjoyed it there are a couple more movies that I saw
[00:07:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Beverly Hills called four which was very surprisingly good I didn't think I would like it but
[00:07:28] [SPEAKER_01]: I did I liked it a lot then I watched the older ones and I thought that there was a lot of
[00:07:32] [SPEAKER_01]: parallels that were going on and finally I saw the Indiana Jones movie the latest one he did
[00:07:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and Blimey was I blown away by how much I liked it it felt like the old
[00:07:45] [SPEAKER_01]: old Indiana Jones movies again I didn't go and see it in the movie theater because the last one the
[00:07:51] [SPEAKER_01]: one with the aliens kind of like I just wrote off all Indiana Jones films but this one was like
[00:07:57] [SPEAKER_01]: wow surprisingly good I didn't anticipate that was gonna like it I thought the reviews were a little bit
[00:08:03] [SPEAKER_01]: but when I watched it at the end of the movie I was like yeah indeed yeah those are really really
[00:08:10] [SPEAKER_01]: enjoyed it I couldn't believe how much I did so yes Indiana Jones is back baby with its last
[00:08:16] [SPEAKER_02]: film the show yeah give give Harrison for the rest yeah so in the line of things we enjoyed
[00:08:28] [SPEAKER_02]: maybe once upon a time in America yeah one of those films that I feel like
[00:08:37] [SPEAKER_02]: so I was in the DVD collection game for quite a while when it was younger and I that's one of
[00:08:44] [SPEAKER_02]: those films who just had to have and I had it on DVD I never watched it I realized because I watched
[00:08:55] [SPEAKER_01]: I thought I'd seen it too but in a realized I only saw like the very beginning
[00:09:00] [SPEAKER_01]: by never finished the movie because if I had finished the movie I probably would have remembered this movie
[00:09:07] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah yeah and so like we mentioned in the introduction and sorry apparently that was a short
[00:09:14] [SPEAKER_02]: cut it's about 90 minutes I think or two hours yeah there was a 12 or something okay yeah it was
[00:09:25] [SPEAKER_02]: the original cut and it was linear so what what the tells us is that the what we got
[00:09:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's an almost for our cut almost up it was long and it's told nonlinear and we talk about
[00:09:39] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm showing the arguments but yeah it's it's a very different vibe it's a very different film
[00:09:46] [SPEAKER_02]: and seems like and then we also mentioned that Joe Pashy has a limited role it seems like
[00:09:51] [SPEAKER_02]: his role was a lot bigger in the script but then got cut down I just yeah there's also
[00:10:00] [SPEAKER_01]: there's also a six hour cut of this film there's a six hour cut yeah wow okay that sounds like a
[00:10:08] [SPEAKER_02]: it's called the complete cut can you get that on streaming anyway because I was sorry I don't know
[00:10:17] [SPEAKER_01]: before I yeah so I think it was it might be available in Europe I don't know
[00:10:30] [SPEAKER_01]: it said the many cars the forever lost cancelled cost the European theatrical
[00:10:35] [SPEAKER_01]: they're complete cost and oh the six hour cut is now lost to history
[00:10:42] [SPEAKER_01]: so what I did existed at some point and the the studios kind of said all right let's
[00:10:49] [SPEAKER_01]: cut this down to three hours 15 minutes maybe I don't know I don't I can't imagine anybody sitting
[00:10:58] [SPEAKER_01]: in the movie theater for six hours it's a it's a little bit indulgent of a director
[00:11:07] [SPEAKER_01]: to make a six hour film it doesn't make sense because it seems like he doesn't care
[00:11:15] [SPEAKER_01]: what do people who are watching his movies have time to do I say I'm not going to go to the
[00:11:20] [SPEAKER_01]: movie theater for six hours there's no business in that anyway I mean we're kind of going
[00:11:25] [SPEAKER_02]: into the film a lot of the rings extended cut ultra will come for your lunch now but
[00:11:32] [SPEAKER_01]: the the lot of rings extended cut are like four hours four hour films but they were only
[00:11:37] [SPEAKER_01]: released in limited scope in movie theaters most of us got to see like the two hour 45
[00:11:43] [SPEAKER_01]: minute version of three hour version three hour films are still in I guess you still see movies
[00:11:50] [SPEAKER_01]: the three hour time limits that that is more manageable than a four hour film or a six hour film
[00:12:04] [SPEAKER_01]: so yeah three hours is like it's too long but we can deal with it if we have to but
[00:12:13] [SPEAKER_02]: four hour film is too long yeah I hope you know it's a long film I hope this
[00:12:22] [SPEAKER_02]: analysis that we're all gonna hear next is not gonna be as long once upon a time in America
[00:12:31] [SPEAKER_02]: is an epic crime drama directed by Sir Joliane chronicling the lives of a group of
[00:12:35] [SPEAKER_02]: Jewish gangsters the New York City across several decades the story is centered around David
[00:12:40] [SPEAKER_02]: Nudel's Erranton played by Robert Nero as a reflex on his life of crime friendship love and
[00:12:46] [SPEAKER_02]: betrayal through a non-linear narrative the film we've together Nudel's rise in the criminal
[00:12:51] [SPEAKER_02]: underworld during the prohibition era is deep ons with his childhood friends and the haunting
[00:12:57] [SPEAKER_02]: consequences of their actions over the years with its sweeping cinematography rich character
[00:13:02] [SPEAKER_02]: development and evocative score by any o moricona once upon a time in America is a powerful
[00:13:07] [SPEAKER_02]: exploration of memory regret and the passage of time cementing its place as a classic in
[00:13:13] [SPEAKER_02]: the gangster genre okay I hope everybody had a drink and we'll dive into the discussion but
[00:13:27] [SPEAKER_02]: before we can do that we need to what's it gonna be my friend I'm gonna go ahead
[00:13:33] [SPEAKER_02]: ahead so it is I'm gonna go ahead guess this film oh that's a shocker
[00:13:44] [SPEAKER_02]: wow uh uh uh uh stages yours witness will address this court as judge or you're on all right
[00:13:51] [SPEAKER_01]: once upon a time in America it feels like a film written by a non-English person who is stuck in
[00:14:03] [SPEAKER_01]: the 1960s era of western films trying to make an audience appreciate the life of an American Jew
[00:14:15] [SPEAKER_01]: where the person who made this film doesn't understand what it is to be Jewish doesn't
[00:14:21] [SPEAKER_01]: understand what it means to speak English and doesn't understand what it means to go through the American
[00:14:29] [SPEAKER_01]: experience so we get a long movie with disjointed dialogues caricature characters bus of violence
[00:14:40] [SPEAKER_01]: and an insurmountable weird fetish I mean it's not just so much insurmountable it's
[00:14:51] [SPEAKER_01]: unforgivable weird fetish which with sexualizing women at the pleasure of men and you watch this
[00:15:02] [SPEAKER_01]: movie and you can't you can't wrap your head around what the coherency of the story is
[00:15:12] [SPEAKER_01]: the characters are not likeable noodles is undeveloped max is undeveloped all the other characters
[00:15:22] [SPEAKER_01]: forgettable I don't even remember their names um and they don't exist to drive this story forward
[00:15:31] [SPEAKER_01]: so the purpose of this film is completely lost the coherent idea behind it is lost and what we
[00:15:40] [SPEAKER_01]: are seeing where men are standing and women are judging who graped me in the bankruptcy by playing around
[00:15:52] [SPEAKER_01]: with their penises that is what we get in this film and I know a lot of people like this movie
[00:15:58] [SPEAKER_01]: because despite everything I've said right now there's still some good technical aspects of it
[00:16:04] [SPEAKER_01]: the music is good but I want you to think about this just think about this this guy has the love of
[00:16:13] [SPEAKER_01]: his life he's loved her all his life since he was a kid he's been watching her like a creep
[00:16:22] [SPEAKER_01]: weirdo standing in front of bathrooms watching her dance he finally goes to watch her dance
[00:16:27] [SPEAKER_01]: and she tells him I'm moving to Hollywood and he goes were wow I guess we're gonna go some
[00:16:37] [SPEAKER_01]: great in the car right now oh my god he does so comes out of the car
[00:16:46] [SPEAKER_01]: throws money at the driver and the lady and then he starts to walk
[00:16:53] [SPEAKER_01]: towards the ocean and the camera zooms out zooms out and it plays this
[00:16:59] [SPEAKER_01]: somber music of somebody who is pondering life as he walks towards the ocean and I was going
[00:17:07] [SPEAKER_01]: what the heck am I watching who plays this somber music when they just oh my god all right
[00:17:15] [SPEAKER_01]: I think you guys get the very you get the vibe you get the vibe this movie is all sorts of messy all sorts
[00:17:23] [SPEAKER_01]: of messy with I expect of technical goodness but it doesn't make up for how ridiculous this movie is
[00:17:33] [SPEAKER_01]: and it might have been okay in the 80s for people to talk about this stuff like this I don't know why
[00:17:41] [SPEAKER_01]: this was a real rated movie in the 80s white has an 8.6 in IMDB who is reviewing this
[00:17:48] [SPEAKER_01]: movies this movie doesn't hold up in today's time all the movies that we've talked about
[00:17:56] [SPEAKER_01]: and previously that you know didn't have any feeling for women or whatever this movie is the worst
[00:18:04] [SPEAKER_01]: of them still worst of them because all the women in this movie are just play cards for the
[00:18:09] [SPEAKER_01]: two toy with with no consequences no consequences all right that's my opinion travel you have to
[00:18:18] [SPEAKER_02]: flow you are not the defense rest no kidding so you're touching on a lot of things that are
[00:18:36] [SPEAKER_02]: questionable but I think as as the environment of the scene that's kind of the part of the
[00:18:45] [SPEAKER_02]: machismo kind of stuff but anyway I want to point out the brilliance of this film the brilliance of this film
[00:18:50] [SPEAKER_02]: lies in the cinematography and the score the performance and I think the brilliance also lies in a
[00:19:03] [SPEAKER_02]: structure a little bit and like I mentioned in the intro this is non-linear and it's it's
[00:19:13] [SPEAKER_02]: keeping on your toes for quite a bit because we're jumping around like crazy in this film
[00:19:18] [SPEAKER_02]: which I'm being from the 20s to the 60s back to the 30s to the 20s like we're jumping
[00:19:26] [SPEAKER_02]: more back and forth than Marty McFly and what are the cheeses that it's keeping us on our toes
[00:19:36] [SPEAKER_02]: the whole time and keeping us invested there's little things that make this really interesting
[00:19:43] [SPEAKER_02]: and bizarre but work namely one of the transitions happen a detrain station when he's looking at
[00:19:51] [SPEAKER_02]: big mural of Coney Island he being a main character Robert Near or Noodle's and the music shifts into
[00:20:02] [SPEAKER_02]: very weird rendition of yesterday and first it was like this does not work at all why are we doing this
[00:20:09] [SPEAKER_02]: but then it makes sense because we switch to the 60s which is then like that places us
[00:20:14] [SPEAKER_02]: musically in the right era fantastic in the mural changed as well it's very different everybody
[00:20:20] [SPEAKER_02]: has different close great transition that just artistically is interesting it's not just a
[00:20:27] [SPEAKER_02]: hard cut with a little text in there and it's like we were in 1960 whatever now right it's
[00:20:32] [SPEAKER_02]: it's mood setting and it's jarring but it works in the because again it kind of makes you feel
[00:20:39] [SPEAKER_02]: this doesn't fit what is happening and to think that happens a lot in this film but it's one
[00:20:44] [SPEAKER_02]: of the strings of the film because as we try to unfold the mystery within the story of what happened
[00:20:52] [SPEAKER_02]: after the after the events of the end of the prohibition when all his friends I when he finds all
[00:21:01] [SPEAKER_02]: his friends dead he tried to betray them but then he runs away and he tries to 30 years later he
[00:21:07] [SPEAKER_02]: has to figure out what happened this jarring kind of back and forth where we learned more about
[00:21:14] [SPEAKER_02]: him and his friends and where he came from and what brought him to betray his friends is also
[00:21:23] [SPEAKER_02]: it's very gripping it's an interesting way to tell us or he kind of keeps you engaged it keeps
[00:21:29] [SPEAKER_02]: you engaged for a cast of characters that are all severely like none of them are any likeable hero type
[00:21:38] [SPEAKER_02]: of people even the Robert New York characters is scumbag you shouldn't like him because he doesn't
[00:21:46] [SPEAKER_02]: really have any routine equalities we don't learn anything of what he did in the 30 years we just
[00:21:52] [SPEAKER_02]: learned that he moves to Buffalo on the different name and then came back so yeah the music is
[00:22:01] [SPEAKER_02]: fantastic any of Maricone does the thing that he does he has very clear motifs that show up
[00:22:10] [SPEAKER_02]: over and over and over again sometimes bizarrely so but again it's keeping keeping you on your toes
[00:22:20] [SPEAKER_02]: and this is just a gorgeous film there are so many shots in here that are brilliant and very
[00:22:28] [SPEAKER_02]: pretty the the very iconic broken bridge scenes that are also on the cover of this
[00:22:36] [SPEAKER_02]: beautiful that that version of New York and kind of the time it's it's almost like it's a you know
[00:22:48] [SPEAKER_02]: trajectory like Gainesville New York is heading to or more years I would think for a couple more
[00:22:56] [SPEAKER_02]: years and 30 but it's it's kind of believable that what we established there is is kind of
[00:23:03] [SPEAKER_02]: like the extension of what we're seeing in one's upon on time in America and that think that is
[00:23:09] [SPEAKER_02]: very fascinating I think the from a story perspective the probably vision area is also just a fascinating
[00:23:14] [SPEAKER_02]: piece of history that can only be aptly dealt with by a non-American directorized because it's
[00:23:27] [SPEAKER_02]: it's not glorifying it at all and it's not it's it's it's a byproduct of everything that we're seeing
[00:23:34] [SPEAKER_02]: but we have weird things like let's tap the radiator to get our our booze just just to see a very
[00:23:43] [SPEAKER_02]: real life example of provision but yeah I'll let you speak for a little bit
[00:23:50] [SPEAKER_01]: you know it's interesting you know I think a lot of the things you mentioned that other
[00:23:57] [SPEAKER_01]: discussions you've had right now about the for example technical aspects of the film
[00:24:03] [SPEAKER_01]: make a lot of sense I agree with you but I think that one of the things that really kills me
[00:24:09] [SPEAKER_01]: still the eco-herence of the film like given you know they celebrate in for example the end
[00:24:15] [SPEAKER_01]: of the prohibition her and one of the things that what you call it new those tells Max is like hey
[00:24:23] [SPEAKER_01]: prohibition is ending in December on the guys like you know what our adventure is coming to an end
[00:24:31] [SPEAKER_01]: we're going to be bankrupt just cutting us out of the job but then the only time we really get to see them
[00:24:40] [SPEAKER_01]: doing this is because they had a bar right so they had a swanky bar a swanky joint
[00:24:47] [SPEAKER_01]: run by mo where where they had people it was a speedy easy where we came to dance and they
[00:24:56] [SPEAKER_01]: had alcohol and all of the shenanigans and that was one of their options but they never emphasized
[00:25:03] [SPEAKER_01]: that specific aspect try to film is people had done rubies of diamonds
[00:25:10] [SPEAKER_01]: they had stolen from big people from gangsters they had walked with drug laws on how to keep
[00:25:17] [SPEAKER_01]: their drugs within the New York Bay they didn't really have a significant reliance
[00:25:28] [SPEAKER_01]: on the alcohol so it was weird when at the end of prohibition Max goes well that's the
[00:25:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the kick in us out of a job and I keep going but that's not really your job you guys do all sorts
[00:25:45] [SPEAKER_01]: of weird things and that was established throughout the film gangsters will call on you guys to
[00:25:51] [SPEAKER_01]: beat up union bosses to get votes still diamonds do all sorts of gangsters stuff that they don't
[00:26:01] [SPEAKER_01]: want to get their hands dirty with kill our folks you guys did all sorts of things so there was no
[00:26:09] [SPEAKER_01]: there was no there was no jump to oh prohibition is over all of a sudden we cannot
[00:26:17] [SPEAKER_01]: not going to be able to do anything and we still have the opportunity to kill people you still
[00:26:22] [SPEAKER_01]: have a opportunity to rob from people diamonds and not going anywhere you can still drive all
[00:26:27] [SPEAKER_01]: the way to Detroit and steal some diamonds so and then this is where it even gets weirder
[00:26:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I have a dream I want to rob the federal reserve and you're like okay that is a major leap
[00:26:44] [SPEAKER_01]: that is a huge leap and the reason why they were in Florida in the first place was because
[00:26:50] [SPEAKER_01]: once his name Nudu said he doesn't he doesn't want to work for anyone he wants to just
[00:26:56] [SPEAKER_01]: spread into rest of his life relaxing right so it just feels weird okay so Nudu is having this
[00:27:04] [SPEAKER_01]: draw thought all right cool let's get rid of him let's put him in jail put myself in jail
[00:27:10] [SPEAKER_01]: so that you know we don't have to we don't have to go through with this federal reserve
[00:27:19] [SPEAKER_01]: crime which would always be a suicide and as she's talking to him in the car about this he's
[00:27:26] [SPEAKER_01]: sitting that with Max's girlfriend and she's like oh you do what you do best and tell and convince
[00:27:33] [SPEAKER_01]: him and she turns to him and he goes he's not screwing me anymore and I was like oh wow okay
[00:27:39] [SPEAKER_01]: fascinating Max finds out knocks him out cold they go and do the robbery apparently Max's
[00:27:49] [SPEAKER_01]: burns to a crisp in doing the robbery and Nudu's buried him with Mo in the Mosulia Mo
[00:28:00] [SPEAKER_01]: where they call those huge rooms they're buried there and then at the end of the film guess who the
[00:28:07] [SPEAKER_01]: netter is it's Max and he's like hand me a gun and shoot me in the head and you're like oh wow
[00:28:15] [SPEAKER_01]: whoa all your life you've existed you're so rich everybody knows who you are that newspaper articles
[00:28:24] [SPEAKER_01]: about you there are people who didn't use videos they has to be right you can't just be in the
[00:28:37] [SPEAKER_01]: swanky guys and a homeboy doesn't recognize you he was talking like a soldier was a recorder in
[00:28:45] [SPEAKER_01]: the room right every single time he says something it was like a senator Billy I don't know anything
[00:28:51] [SPEAKER_01]: about this I just want to be with my friends it was basically trying to avoid it having to admit
[00:28:57] [SPEAKER_01]: anything to Max at that particular point he doesn't want to shoot Max he wants to go he goes out of the
[00:29:03] [SPEAKER_01]: house a truck comes up Max appears jumps into the back of the truck when we see the truck driving
[00:29:11] [SPEAKER_01]: we see a lot of spikes but no blood this movie has not been worried about showing blood for a long
[00:29:17] [SPEAKER_01]: time you've seen all sorts of ketchup mixes in this film we shooting getting shot in the
[00:29:23] [SPEAKER_01]: leg ketchup all over it we get to the back of the truck and we see no blood and we're like what the
[00:29:33] [SPEAKER_01]: just like that I don't know if Billy's dead or not did he run away did he try to Mexico
[00:29:39] [SPEAKER_01]: did he disappear into the ocean did he get burnt again it doesn't matter the movie's
[00:29:44] [SPEAKER_01]: incoherent doesn't make any sense the idea of their friendship the bond when they jumped into
[00:29:52] [SPEAKER_01]: the water and Max disappeared by the end of the film that bond doesn't exist anymore so if this
[00:29:57] [SPEAKER_01]: story about friends and loyalty there was no loyalty and there was no friendship anymore but
[00:30:04] [SPEAKER_01]: into this film anytime the guy said he was crazy he was punching him in the head with the back
[00:30:09] [SPEAKER_01]: in the back of the head with a gun and knocking him out how is that a friendship?
[00:30:15] [SPEAKER_01]: what's the point I'm telling America? once I ran it for a long time like that so
[00:30:22] [SPEAKER_02]: I think the movie has a lot of ways to interpret it and that is one of the strengths
[00:30:29] [SPEAKER_02]: thank you for bringing up the jumping to the water and the Max disappears for a little bit
[00:30:35] [SPEAKER_02]: and then shows up again because I think that is foreshadowing up what happens in the end
[00:30:41] [SPEAKER_02]: right Max disappears he's dead and then he shows up again
[00:30:47] [SPEAKER_02]: but so the way I took a lot of this film is we start off in an opium then and we ultimately
[00:30:58] [SPEAKER_02]: finished there too so this this is cycle there it starts with a very interesting and jarring
[00:31:11] [SPEAKER_02]: phone call like the phone rings whoever and it gives us like one or two fake outs where people
[00:31:16] [SPEAKER_02]: pick up a phone but it's not the phone that that is actually ringing and then it ends with
[00:31:23] [SPEAKER_02]: a phone call to the police and that's when he when the mirror wakes up noodles wakes up
[00:31:29] [SPEAKER_02]: but kind of guilt written so I think that that's why we learn okay he called a police and he
[00:31:35] [SPEAKER_02]: is kind of a shame to have said how I take all of this and a lot of the future stuff for
[00:31:43] [SPEAKER_02]: all that is in my headcat and like a lot of this is an opium fever dream in a way and it's
[00:31:57] [SPEAKER_02]: okay what is the the best path and kind of what is happening to all of these people
[00:32:03] [SPEAKER_02]: once I read them out and what is happening to me right i get get away Scott free
[00:32:08] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's fine I'm gonna be fine I'm gonna live somewhere else I'm not dealing with any of this
[00:32:14] [SPEAKER_02]: the person that has shown to betray me in a way right and kind of not always been super forthcoming
[00:32:23] [SPEAKER_02]: even though we're friends Max is pulling the exact same thing then is that he's done
[00:32:32] [SPEAKER_02]: and in the past mainly the thing in a harbor right where he's he's doing the whole
[00:32:37] [SPEAKER_02]: on disappearing but I'm coming back kind of things so I kind of feel like there is there's a connection
[00:32:41] [SPEAKER_02]: there that's moving into that fever dream or that that opium dream and the other friends
[00:32:55] [SPEAKER_02]: are part of the gang they're kind of not important right they're done they're burned
[00:33:03] [SPEAKER_02]: and we learned that we've learned he sees that before he goes into the opium then so they're already
[00:33:10] [SPEAKER_02]: gone and kind of forgotten but Max is the only one that they had a stronger bond with and that
[00:33:17] [SPEAKER_02]: has kind of a history of pulling tricks so I think that's why we see him return but
[00:33:24] [SPEAKER_02]: all of that right I think a lot of noodles character is on and the story that we're seeing is trying to
[00:33:35] [SPEAKER_02]: to figure out how to deal with the past and then kind of trying to figure what happened
[00:33:43] [SPEAKER_02]: right like who who betrayed them who took the money and what happened in the 30 years after
[00:33:51] [SPEAKER_02]: and I don't think we get a lot of answers and the reason why we don't get many answers is because
[00:33:56] [SPEAKER_02]: he doesn't know and it's everything from his perspective it's all just kind of fantasy like it's
[00:34:01] [SPEAKER_02]: said that that Max is that senator and it's outrageous to believe that noodles has not figured that out
[00:34:10] [SPEAKER_02]: it has not seen him before because he lives in buffalo it's the same state right like you would think
[00:34:17] [SPEAKER_02]: that that you you would know that but for whatever reason like that connections never mate
[00:34:22] [SPEAKER_02]: but I think it makes sense if you take it from the perspective of it's just weird fantasy thing
[00:34:28] [SPEAKER_02]: that he's trying to just work through and all that it's also the also kind of explains the
[00:34:38] [SPEAKER_02]: his dream relationship with the dancer with most sister or he fantasizes about her so much and
[00:34:45] [SPEAKER_02]: then that like in the past he wanted to be together with her so much and then what ends up happening
[00:34:51] [SPEAKER_02]: is he uses her and then loses her but that's kind of the the path of the thing that he always
[00:35:02] [SPEAKER_02]: wanted he takes that from from her and then he throws away like any other woman that he's
[00:35:08] [SPEAKER_02]: presumably like that that's kind of all that we've seen right there's a lot of
[00:35:13] [SPEAKER_02]: great paying as you said in this film and that's that's just kind of the general
[00:35:18] [SPEAKER_02]: way they deal with women here unfortunately it's not great I have other thoughts on all
[00:35:24] [SPEAKER_02]: that with undertones but we'll go in the general discussion about that so to me
[00:35:34] [SPEAKER_02]: while I tend to agree there's not necessarily a lot of resolution at sense I take it from
[00:35:44] [SPEAKER_02]: from an opium mind kind of way of trying to deal with what happened in my past
[00:35:51] [SPEAKER_02]: like does that give me any clues into into what could happen in the future in a way and from
[00:35:58] [SPEAKER_02]: perspective I think it's a very interesting film it's not super satisfactory because ultimately
[00:36:04] [SPEAKER_02]: everything is just happening in this weird one-sided view that is not very reliable but it's still
[00:36:12] [SPEAKER_02]: like a gorgeous film very like it's like captivating interesting film while we're at it
[00:36:18] [SPEAKER_01]: so the issue with the the theory of the dream sequence is the fact that in the original length
[00:36:27] [SPEAKER_01]: of the film the long one the longer one they had scenes where noodles was not even in the scene
[00:36:34] [SPEAKER_01]: so the original intent of the director was betrayed in that I mean the cut the film they
[00:36:41] [SPEAKER_01]: may have cut the film to make it look like there's a possibility that you know
[00:36:50] [SPEAKER_01]: those are the possibility that it was a dream sequence but I don't buy that I don't buy that number one
[00:36:58] [SPEAKER_01]: being the fact that you know the director had a cut of the film where they had point of view
[00:37:03] [SPEAKER_01]: of the other characters that didn't include noodles right and also the fact that it seemed more
[00:37:18] [SPEAKER_01]: like a flashback than a dream like every single place he went to he was confronted with an idea
[00:37:30] [SPEAKER_01]: that resulted in a fully formed history or background like what is he saw the guy in the TV
[00:37:39] [SPEAKER_01]: TV who was working with a cane that resulted in a flashback way was dealing with the union bosses
[00:37:45] [SPEAKER_01]: and the gangs at that particular time which ended up resulting in him getting this leg shot
[00:37:52] [SPEAKER_01]: that was a whole story coherent story it was a coherent story right it was a coherent story which
[00:37:59] [SPEAKER_01]: led to a future where the guy was working with the cane all the stories were coherent until the
[00:38:05] [SPEAKER_01]: last one where he sees like those people driving past him in a 1920s car celebrating a party
[00:38:13] [SPEAKER_01]: and it fades back into the the Chinese room where everybody's doing the opium and he smiles at
[00:38:20] [SPEAKER_01]: the end of the film but every other dream was coherent that was the only incoherent one
[00:38:26] [SPEAKER_01]: and I cannot for the life of me used that as an excuse to say that this whole move I'm not going
[00:38:34] [SPEAKER_01]: to absolve the director of this what sort of opium dream resulting in two grape sings and
[00:38:43] [SPEAKER_01]: man this movie was was weird and I will I will say that you know the second theory was that
[00:38:50] [SPEAKER_01]: Max had the hearts for for noodles since there were kids and he's just angry that he never got
[00:38:56] [SPEAKER_01]: to experience that that's that's that was the vibe my wife got immediately he didn't know what the film
[00:39:03] [SPEAKER_01]: was just walked into the film and goes is it gay for him and I was like I don't think so what
[00:39:10] [SPEAKER_01]: then as I watched the movie more and more I'm like okay maybe there is some validity to this
[00:39:16] [SPEAKER_01]: there's some sexual tension between the two of them and when he's now punching him in the gun
[00:39:23] [SPEAKER_01]: and saving his crazy it's like oh man on the life's potential I'm gonna hit you in the back
[00:39:31] [SPEAKER_01]: of the head because you don't want to have sex with me all right cool I'm gonna shut up
[00:39:37] [SPEAKER_02]: it's good I'm very tempted to go to the to cyber now because I want to touch upon that as well
[00:39:43] [SPEAKER_02]: just a quick because we were saying like so I think whatever happened in the past can be
[00:39:50] [SPEAKER_02]: we worked into future dream kind of thing where your brain is just kind of trying to deal with
[00:39:55] [SPEAKER_02]: whatever your experience and just so I think kind of a logical conclusion there would be
[00:40:01] [SPEAKER_02]: that your brain is filling in the blanks and kind of continuing that so it would be
[00:40:07] [SPEAKER_02]: it would be believable to me that somebody you beat up in your dreams will have a cane in a way
[00:40:14] [SPEAKER_02]: one of the reasons why I feel my theory of it's all kind of a dream is because something like
[00:40:20] [SPEAKER_02]: something relatively tangible like him being on the train station when the transition with the
[00:40:34] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like you're filling in the blank like this 30 years of nothing but it's still rooted
[00:40:40] [SPEAKER_02]: in something that he knows right it's almost in a way like he's never been to Buffalo in New York so
[00:40:46] [SPEAKER_02]: he cannot really show anything like his mind does not know what that is but he's familiar with
[00:40:51] [SPEAKER_02]: the train station so that's anchoring him back okay he's back from there so that's just kind of
[00:41:01] [SPEAKER_02]: but yeah I happy to go through the site part if you don't have anything.
[00:41:05] [SPEAKER_01]: We can one last thing you mentioned the fact that the water scene
[00:41:13] [SPEAKER_01]: when he jumped into the water and then he comes back and he said the boat and they embraced each other
[00:41:18] [SPEAKER_01]: like oh Max you jumped into the water to take a peek of my panties but you're up the boat okay
[00:41:27] [SPEAKER_01]: that was that was interesting I didn't think about that but I also want to point out that the two
[00:41:34] [SPEAKER_01]: reactions between the children were totally different one was surprise and embrace
[00:41:40] [SPEAKER_01]: surprise fear and embrace did them was surprise disgust and rejection so totally different
[00:41:51] [SPEAKER_01]: experiences from those two but I thought it was interesting that you brought that up so I'm ready to go to the
[00:41:56] [SPEAKER_00]: sidebar oh roll sidebar guilty speculation here say they live briefcase this regard in my
[00:42:01] [SPEAKER_00]: chain stop beaver on the witness arrest like a totally beloious type of fascinating that
[00:42:07] [SPEAKER_02]: that your wife picked up on that as well it was very early on we were like oh man did this is a very
[00:42:14] [SPEAKER_01]: gay story I couldn't I mean I couldn't I mean even was in the back of my head it was just like
[00:42:23] [SPEAKER_01]: tranquil I didn't think about it like that but my wife saw it as she immediately went for that yeah yeah and
[00:42:31] [SPEAKER_02]: there's clues right there's clues there and most of the max has a thing for for noodles
[00:42:36] [SPEAKER_02]: right then beyond the ground but because their noodles is all into into the dancer check
[00:42:44] [SPEAKER_02]: but there's clues with max there's clues when when they're on the rooftop
[00:42:51] [SPEAKER_02]: exploring the cop right and then and max has a go with the Jennifer said her name Peggy Peggy
[00:42:59] [SPEAKER_02]: right and and they're joking so go you know you um the laughing at him because it cannot get it up
[00:43:05] [SPEAKER_02]: right and that's that's one of the clues where it's like how interesting right because he's kind of
[00:43:10] [SPEAKER_02]: in the social structure of like it's expected from to perform now but he can't yeah right um he ends up
[00:43:16] [SPEAKER_02]: having a kid at the end but again it's like social structure like that is expected of him but
[00:43:21] [SPEAKER_02]: there was very like the way he looks at him all the time it's just very much like oh okay he's into it
[00:43:28] [SPEAKER_02]: there's also a very weird kind of kink thing that we clocked in fairly early
[00:43:36] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's like golden shower related because especially early on there's a lot of
[00:43:41] [SPEAKER_02]: a lot of that where you know we see people urinating uh we kind of make it out to be that they are
[00:43:50] [SPEAKER_02]: urinating on the newspaper stand um later the gasoline thing which again might be a
[00:43:58] [SPEAKER_02]: a secular kind of thing right whereas like this is something in a past that happened they had
[00:44:02] [SPEAKER_02]: some kind of flammable agent um and lit something up and then you know you have the union kind of thing
[00:44:08] [SPEAKER_02]: where they want to put the union dude on fire um but like a lot of that has kind of these connotations
[00:44:17] [SPEAKER_02]: of it's kind of that kinky kind of thing um I found that very fascinating uh it's not
[00:44:22] [SPEAKER_02]: resolved in any shape of a form but yeah so there's this a lot of that boom the calm what is
[00:44:28] [SPEAKER_02]: uh what is such a really own telling us here even though it's not really addressed well yeah yeah
[00:44:35] [SPEAKER_01]: I think that the more I think about it the more I think that I didn't want to think about
[00:44:41] [SPEAKER_01]: the scene with Peggy um as an indicator of it too just like when you mentioned it sorry my
[00:44:47] [SPEAKER_01]: daughter is in a room now um when you mentioned it um it made a lot of sense immediately
[00:44:54] [SPEAKER_01]: because I would that would explain everything that would explain it would create a thread
[00:44:59] [SPEAKER_01]: a good enough thread that you can go alright there he's a coherent story um so yeah that's
[00:45:07] [SPEAKER_01]: very interesting I don't think a lot of people talk about it from that perspective um I've seen some
[00:45:12] [SPEAKER_01]: conversation about it but my wife was very perceptive too to it immediately I wasn't so much
[00:45:23] [SPEAKER_01]: because I kept focusing on the violence that was happening
[00:45:26] [SPEAKER_01]: uh and I was like it doesn't feel like a movie that was written for people who were interested in
[00:45:34] [SPEAKER_01]: it gave them as it feels like it's a hyper masculine film um but it then makes a lot of sense
[00:45:41] [SPEAKER_01]: when you think of it the character of Max doesn't feel fulfilled well also the the way women are treated
[00:45:49] [SPEAKER_02]: could unfortunately uh could be an indication of that too right because it's like um their
[00:45:58] [SPEAKER_02]: lesser than so you can use them for that um and that's the only thing they're they're in quotes
[00:46:06] [SPEAKER_02]: coming good for not not saying that that's they're not agreeing with that obviously right but that's
[00:46:12] [SPEAKER_02]: if you take from that perspective um the there might be something there but but again it's also
[00:46:20] [SPEAKER_02]: that the neuro such a like the noodles is such a unreliable uh narrative here that
[00:46:29] [SPEAKER_02]: another layer could be that he always thought that's that's what Max was up to but they've never
[00:46:40] [SPEAKER_02]: complex and you would think and I think that that's what makes it so interesting that said
[00:46:45] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't want to sit through this again it's a way too long uh I kind of fell asleep in a
[00:46:51] [SPEAKER_02]: middle of towards the end um when he's talking to the um instead the actress like us with the white face
[00:47:00] [SPEAKER_02]: when I talk to the kid like yeah I'm a someone bad because I was just tired you know she
[00:47:07] [SPEAKER_01]: was doing some racist shit right there it's interesting like they get you some stuff like that
[00:47:13] [SPEAKER_01]: it's like well what what the hell what show was she doing anyway going? No so yeah so I missed a
[00:47:19] [SPEAKER_02]: little bit there and it's um I don't know it's it's way too long for the story that they're telling
[00:47:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and it's and I the thing that the non-linear story telling is it's interesting but it's also very confusing
[00:47:42] [SPEAKER_02]: because everybody looks at say nobody ages really well right like it's it's like the the the
[00:47:53] [SPEAKER_02]: neuro of the the 30s very much looks like the neuro of the 60s yes and everybody else too
[00:48:01] [SPEAKER_02]: the only thing they're changing is like a little gray and the temple so it's very beautiful
[00:48:05] [SPEAKER_01]: and they added a couple of wrinkle lines below his eyes you know the interesting thing is
[00:48:09] [SPEAKER_01]: I was watching this movie and I was going you know when the neuro was younger they were trying
[00:48:14] [SPEAKER_01]: to make him older not I is older trying to make him younger it's such a weird cycle you know
[00:48:20] [SPEAKER_01]: but it is it is interesting I'm gonna say all the things that dislike about this movie
[00:48:26] [SPEAKER_01]: the thing I hated the most was the fact that the characters were not likeable in any way
[00:48:32] [SPEAKER_01]: I think he was unforgivable that they went into that doctor's room with the kids and they switched
[00:48:38] [SPEAKER_01]: the babies so that the police officer doesn't get his son but it also affects all the other parents
[00:48:45] [SPEAKER_01]: who just gave birth and they didn't care about that and then when the union was at the end goes
[00:48:52] [SPEAKER_01]: if we wouldn't have been able to do it without your ingenuity I was really disgusted with those
[00:48:57] [SPEAKER_01]: guys too so this movie doesn't give you any heroes to anchor or to like another fan yeah yeah
[00:49:06] [SPEAKER_02]: it's the for a movie that is at least in my perception on par with with the other big mob
[00:49:14] [SPEAKER_02]: movies got fellas and then godfather this is clearly the weakest of the bunch because it's
[00:49:22] [SPEAKER_02]: it doesn't even have kind of the glorious provider of the mob which I think lots of people are
[00:49:29] [SPEAKER_02]: drawn into in that genre because none of these people are likeable and none of these people live
[00:49:36] [SPEAKER_02]: that lavish over lifestyle and then like I said the the bizarre way he turns on on the love of his life
[00:49:45] [SPEAKER_02]: with taking her out to dinner and this lavish thing and then she's she's the one I'm
[00:49:53] [SPEAKER_02]: I'm gonna go to Hollywood and then it's like well what are you doing yeah why why
[00:50:05] [SPEAKER_02]: painful painful to watch and also painful to no redeeming qualities what's her up no none
[00:50:15] [SPEAKER_02]: and that's ultimately one of the the problems here there's no redeeming qualities for 99%
[00:50:23] [SPEAKER_02]: of the characters yeah yeah and that that's not necessarily make a good movie like you
[00:50:31] [SPEAKER_02]: there might be a good anti-hero film and I think we've seen joker I think you could see that as an
[00:50:38] [SPEAKER_02]: anti-hero film and you have at least sympathy with him because he has big mental health issues
[00:50:43] [SPEAKER_02]: that's not happening here though that explains it right so yeah agreed yeah
[00:50:54] [SPEAKER_02]: beautifully shot oh can we talk about the friend with the with the freaking
[00:50:59] [SPEAKER_02]: with the with the freaking pipe that he plays that melody all going over again oh yeah
[00:51:08] [SPEAKER_01]: his role was just a new girl and he's way to easy it's just distracted drop the feel
[00:51:14] [SPEAKER_02]: but you know so I just picture you grew up ever since you were a 10 year old kid
[00:51:22] [SPEAKER_02]: and you have your friends circle of friends and there's this one friend with the weird eyes
[00:51:27] [SPEAKER_02]: that has this flute kind of thing and he plays one melody and it's kind of the soundtrack of
[00:51:34] [SPEAKER_02]: and you feel cool when you when you're 10 12 15 16 and 20 years later you're 30 mid 30s
[00:51:42] [SPEAKER_02]: and you sit in the room and he's still playing the freaking same melody it's like I know it's very
[00:51:50] [SPEAKER_01]: good learner another song stop it so so hilarious it's like it's good that you pointed it out
[00:52:00] [SPEAKER_01]: very for getting about it because it just so soon but it's like do that small things that like
[00:52:05] [SPEAKER_01]: really that really bug you about this film too is like you watch like we watch a couple of
[00:52:13] [SPEAKER_01]: I mean we've seen so couple of Japanese movies and we talk about my wife and I we talk about
[00:52:18] [SPEAKER_01]: Pony over lot and in Pony we've seen some scenes where the woman is standing by a car
[00:52:24] [SPEAKER_01]: the wind is blowing you see the individual strands in a hair blowing and you see a reflection of
[00:52:30] [SPEAKER_01]: her in the mirror and you're like wow it's so small things that make this movie great because they
[00:52:36] [SPEAKER_01]: try to immerse you into this world it's an animated world but they're focusing on the small things
[00:52:41] [SPEAKER_01]: but in this movie it's those small things that just annoy you it's like you're just thinking
[00:52:46] [SPEAKER_01]: this guy has been playing the same tune for almost 30 years and it's like dude let a new tune
[00:52:56] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah it's like cool still playing the same song I do it's not a school anymore it's like
[00:53:02] [SPEAKER_02]: it's like a friend that has a catchphrase and like after 30 years like
[00:53:07] [SPEAKER_02]: okay can we stop it's the circle yes you did that right it's like
[00:53:16] [SPEAKER_02]: and and that I was surgery on it and any of Moriko and I think they fell into that trap a lot
[00:53:24] [SPEAKER_02]: because the film's tend to be very long the music tends to be good but it tends to be overused
[00:53:30] [SPEAKER_02]: over and over and over again and that less and less impact for me
[00:53:37] [SPEAKER_02]: because we only have five five motifs and five songs that we can play so let's play them for four hours
[00:53:46] [SPEAKER_01]: a set of degree and the weird thing was some of the songs came out inappropriate
[00:53:54] [SPEAKER_01]: and some of the things that are significant about scheduling on films about those
[00:53:59] [SPEAKER_01]: straight shots into actors eyes and the long focus was just annoying in some of the scenes
[00:54:06] [SPEAKER_01]: anyway I think we'd be this movie to a part but at this point I think anything that we go for
[00:54:11] [SPEAKER_02]: further with is probably gonna be small cakes yeah yeah one little thing that I just popped
[00:54:18] [SPEAKER_02]: in my mind in the very beginning they're very clean outline with gunshots on the bed
[00:54:25] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know what that was about but it's like the outline of a person on the bed
[00:54:31] [SPEAKER_02]: I don't know if you remember that it was like what the hell
[00:54:37] [SPEAKER_01]: yeah yeah it's very I mean I think it's I don't know I didn't know maybe it was a
[00:54:43] [SPEAKER_01]: perspective theme because this whole movie the whole the board that wrote this film the list of
[00:54:49] [SPEAKER_01]: people who were involved in making of this film were all Italian I can help but feel like they
[00:54:54] [SPEAKER_01]: didn't understand the essence of being American and the middle movie about being American
[00:54:59] [SPEAKER_02]: yeah well we're leaving America for the next film
[00:55:06] [SPEAKER_02]: because as a film that's snuck in it seems like the switch places with this one we will be talking
[00:55:11] [SPEAKER_01]: about three idiots that's another three hour film right that's the Indian one it's an
[00:55:19] [SPEAKER_02]: Indian film and it is two hours 15 minutes I do like American but I'm gonna I'm gonna
[00:55:33] [SPEAKER_01]: preface this and say that I have a feeling that this movie is gonna have a lot of long scenes
[00:55:39] [SPEAKER_01]: where the ideas could have been diluted into shorter scenes I can already tell but I would be
[00:55:48] [SPEAKER_01]: excited to see it again I love Kareena Kapoor Khan and I'm a fan of Amir Khan so it's gonna be an
[00:55:55] [SPEAKER_01]: interesting for you to watch I'm gonna go find us okay find us oh man I really can't believe
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[00:56:29] [SPEAKER_01]: YouTube and I really apologize my kid isn't a background now she just jumped in and I can't get rid of her
[00:56:39] [SPEAKER_01]: so she's she's she's boiling here I'm gonna go play with her for this hope you guys have a good
[00:56:43] [SPEAKER_01]: rest of your time

