Episode 94 - Toy Story 3

[00:00:00] Welcome back to Movie Mistrial, the podcast where we put cinema's greatest hits on trial. I'm Johannes and with me, as always, is Raji. If you're new here, we're all about questioning whether some of these films truly deserve their spot on the IMDb Top 250 and today we've got one of the biggest animated films of all time, Toy Story 3.

[00:00:19] Released in 2010, Toy Story 3 is the third installment of the Toy Story franchise. It's a movie that has made grown adults weep as they watch their favorite toys confront their own obsolescence. It's often hailed as one of Pixar's finest works, but here's the real question. Does Toy Story 3 really belong in the IMDb Top 250 or is it coasting on nostalgia and the reputation of its predecessors?

[00:00:45] Get your feet warmers, preferably not from a trash incinerator, and let's claw into the question of your mind. The claw. Does Toy Story 3 deserve its spot among the greatest or should it have been packed up and stored in the attic?

[00:01:15] Do you swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God?

[00:01:19] Alright my friend, let's flip a coin and see what's going on.

[00:01:24] I'm gonna go with my usual heads by the way.

[00:01:29] Tails. Tails.

[00:01:30] I get to choose, finally.

[00:01:35] I'll speak for this movie, why not?

[00:01:39] And I'll speak against.

[00:01:41] Well, before we jump into it, let's get a synopsis of what this movie is about.

[00:01:46] Toy Story 3 is an animated adventure from Pixar, directed by Leon Craig and the third installment in the beloved Toy Story series.

[00:01:52] The film follows Woody, Buzz Lightyear and the rest of Andy's toys as they face an uncertain future when Andy leaves for college.

[00:02:00] Accidentally donated to a daycare center, the toys must navigate a world filled with a rough playtime, new friends at the tyrannical teddy bear named Lotza.

[00:02:08] As they work together to find a way back to Andy, they confront themes of loyalty, change and letting go.

[00:02:15] Toy Story 3 is praised for its humor, heart and emotionally resonant exploration of growing up, making it a memorable conclusion to the toys journey.

[00:02:23] And the witness will address this quote as judge or your honor.

[00:02:29] Ladies and gentlemen, this movie, Toy Story 3, is a movie that relies on a history of our...

[00:02:41] This movie relies on nostalgia in the sense that the emotional weight of this film is dependent on how close you already are with the characters.

[00:02:50] As they're going down the incinerator, your understanding or your emotional connection to these characters is going to be determined significantly by how emotionally you are attached to the characters in Toy Story 1 and 2.

[00:03:06] So, in a sense, this movie is a movie that relies on the strength of the previous films and that carries it a lot.

[00:03:15] And I also like to point out that this movie is also very, very heavily reliant on Woody.

[00:03:25] There are scenes from the other characters like Buzz, but this movie is a very Woody-centric film.

[00:03:33] And it follows the journey of Woody, for the most part, as he tries to determine if he gets to go to university and leave his friends behind.

[00:03:47] Or he bands together with the crew and continues their whole collective relationships.

[00:03:57] So, it's...

[00:03:59] Especially if you've watched Toy Story 1 and 2, the plot is basically the same.

[00:04:04] They get lost, they get taken out of the house, and they have to get home just in time.

[00:04:12] So, in a sense, what has gotten...

[00:04:16] What is actually quite different between this and the other two Toy Stories is the fact that the intensity between the journey back home has just relatively heightened.

[00:04:28] And Pixar is trying to play with your emotions, giving you that sense of no hope as they're going through that incinerator.

[00:04:37] And that is going to rely heavily on how connected you are with the toys in Toy Story 1 and 2.

[00:04:44] So, the tones are a bit...

[00:04:47] It's a bit too mature for younger audiences, and I think they could get lost in the fascistic nature of the storyline.

[00:04:59] It definitely feels like it was written for adults, in a sense.

[00:05:04] The jokes are still funny, but I would say that the cutoff point for the age is a little bit higher than the other two.

[00:05:12] So, I'm going to start with those points.

[00:05:15] Hmm.

[00:05:15] Okay.

[00:05:16] Your Honor, may I just speak about the brilliance that is Toy Story 3?

[00:05:23] So, everything that I critiqued for Toy Story 1 when we talked about it,

[00:05:27] which is mainly critique around the character of Woody, who's such an unlikable character in that film.

[00:05:34] He gets the major redemption here in this film.

[00:05:38] Because he's not this egocentric little cowboy anymore.

[00:05:43] He is honestly rooting and trying to set up all his friends for a good life.

[00:05:53] And then at the end, he stays with him.

[00:05:57] And he's literally putting himself, like, his ego away.

[00:06:03] Because he could have been home, like, going to college with Andy, but he didn't.

[00:06:07] And he understood, hey, you know, let's stick together here.

[00:06:12] We're toys.

[00:06:13] We need to be played with.

[00:06:14] I don't want to see what Andy is doing in college.

[00:06:16] But, yeah.

[00:06:19] So, it's a complete character turn for Woody, which is so crucial.

[00:06:24] Because I think at the end of the day, like you said, there's a lot of story beats that are similar.

[00:06:33] But I think that's understandable.

[00:06:36] The interesting conundrum, I think, that this franchise always brings forward is

[00:06:42] kind of subverting expectations of what you believe the in-world kind of pros and cons are of locations.

[00:06:52] So, you would think that as a toy, being donated to a preschool is fantastic because you want to be played with.

[00:07:04] Right?

[00:07:04] Like, that's your calling in life, basically.

[00:07:09] Turns out there is a hierarchy.

[00:07:12] And that hierarchy is the ugly truth about preschool, I guess.

[00:07:17] But I think that subversion of expectations is brilliantly done.

[00:07:25] And it's something that the Toy Story franchise has always been really good at.

[00:07:30] It's kind of killing your expectation that certain characters that you have in mind

[00:07:37] or, like, character traits that you have in mind for toys may be different than what you had in your brain.

[00:07:46] But maybe also exactly not that.

[00:07:50] Right?

[00:07:50] So, it's like the army soldiers are like,

[00:07:54] Okay, we're done.

[00:07:55] Our job is done.

[00:07:55] We'll move on to our next mission.

[00:07:58] Brilliant.

[00:07:59] Right?

[00:07:59] Or, like, the cuddly teddy bear turns out to be the evilest toy around.

[00:08:08] So, that's kind of fun.

[00:08:11] And lastly, as my opening statement, I think the nostalgia, especially for adults,

[00:08:16] the nostalgia factor is not insignificant.

[00:08:21] There are toys in here that I recognized from my childhood.

[00:08:25] It was like, Oh, that's kind of cool.

[00:08:26] I forgot about that.

[00:08:27] Um, it's not fun seeing that little telephone practically being tortured into,

[00:08:36] into, into, narking on your friends.

[00:08:38] But, um, but it's still, it's like, Oh, I had that thing as a kid.

[00:08:44] And that's kind of cool because it's just kind of, uh, emotionally attaching you to,

[00:08:52] to, to this story.

[00:08:53] So, uh, I think what they're doing here to sum it up.

[00:08:57] I think what they're doing here is they draw you in with, with nostalgia and familiarity.

[00:09:02] And, uh, that just works for adults, for kids to draw you in because it's about toys and it's,

[00:09:08] it's animated and it's colorful and it's very recognizable.

[00:09:12] Like the character traits are pretty recognizable at the beginning.

[00:09:16] And, um, we're all getting kind of a heist story that is, uh, universally liked.

[00:09:22] So it's a great film.

[00:09:24] Um, I wouldn't go so much as to say it's a heist kind of movie.

[00:09:27] I would say it's more of a prison break kind of movie.

[00:09:30] Okay.

[00:09:31] Um, uh, you know, you know, I think I'll probably start at the end.

[00:09:36] Um, and fact that, you know, they eventually made it back to Andy's, uh, room to get washed

[00:09:44] up and they jump in the box just in time.

[00:09:46] It was a little bit of a neat end to a very intense, um, getaway by all the characters

[00:09:53] from jumping out of the, jumping, um, out of the incinerator, uh, thanks to the Martians.

[00:10:01] I do want to point that, you know, that scene, the claw scene was nostalgic of Toy Story 1 when

[00:10:08] they were at the pizza planet.

[00:10:10] Um, but the person who hadn't watched Toy Story 1 would probably not get the impact of

[00:10:17] the claw, you know, um, and how it affects the Martians so much.

[00:10:23] So, you know, I was talking about how this movie relies on nostalgia to drive its points.

[00:10:28] Um, I think that that is one of the very clever scenes that if you have watched part one and

[00:10:35] two, part one and two, and you are invested in the Toy Story worldview, that makes a great,

[00:10:42] um, the emotional impact of that, at least it was very high for me in the movie theater.

[00:10:48] Um, uh, I was actually weeping as they were going into the fire.

[00:10:53] I remember watching it in the movie theater and I was actually crying.

[00:10:56] I couldn't believe that they were going to get rid of all the toys.

[00:10:59] Um, and then, you know, the, the, the Martians come and they get it, get them out, um, from

[00:11:06] the, from the incinerator just in time.

[00:11:08] And, uh, you know, everything just wraps up in a very neat way.

[00:11:12] Um, it, it shows number one, the, the, the, the, uh, the themes they are trying to talk

[00:11:20] about, um, death, death of toys, abandonment, loss, um, torture.

[00:11:28] I mean, you mentioned that just a second ago.

[00:11:30] Those are very adult-centric.

[00:11:32] Let's go with abuse.

[00:11:34] Yes, abuse too.

[00:11:35] Adult-centric themes that could be lost on kids, um, or, you know, could be very difficult

[00:11:43] for them to understand.

[00:11:44] If you compare that to Toy Story 1 and 2, where the storylines are a little bit less, um,

[00:11:53] adultish, you would get the, you would feel like the kids would be able to vibe a lot more

[00:11:58] with those films.

[00:11:59] It feels like this movie was written for adults by adults.

[00:12:02] Um, and, you know, you realize a significant lot on the nostalgia of all the other films

[00:12:11] for the, the full impact of Toy Story 3 to, um, to make, uh, to make its impact on the audience.

[00:12:20] The plot is also predictable.

[00:12:22] Um, you know, there's, there was no groundbreaking, um, idea brought into this.

[00:12:30] The lost toys, uh, dynamic from Toy Story 2 was used here once they got into the, um, the daycare.

[00:12:40] Um, a lot of the betrayals by Lotso kind of played exactly like how it played in the other Toy

[00:12:46] stories.

[00:12:47] Um, and, you know, Toy Story was, um, Lotso was interesting as a villain, but it was very

[00:12:54] one-sided too, when you think about it.

[00:12:57] He was abandoned by, um, by his child.

[00:13:04] And now he's bitter and he wants all the other toys to feel his pain.

[00:13:09] Um, and so he creates a fascistic system where people, uh, where he gets to dictate, uh, like

[00:13:19] as one of the toys said, they put himself at the top of the pyramid where he gets to dictate

[00:13:23] how the other toys, uh, get played with in the, uh, daycare.

[00:13:30] Um, and we saw the differences, you know, for kids who are older, they get to play with them,

[00:13:35] get tea time.

[00:13:36] Um, and, uh, for the other ones, they get to be, uh, thrown around the room aggressively

[00:13:42] from one side of the room to the other.

[00:13:45] So, I mean, I think that a lot of the points that I'm probably making, I'm going to be repeating.

[00:13:52] So I'm just going to give you an opportunity to get back to the positives.

[00:13:55] Yeah.

[00:13:56] So I, I think the fascinating thing this film and this, this franchise does is if kids watch

[00:14:04] it, they kind of, it kind of manipulates kids into not being little douchebags to their

[00:14:11] toys, right?

[00:14:12] Because it's, it's like, um, see if you abandon your toy, this is what happens when, when you're

[00:14:17] not watching, right?

[00:14:18] Like they turn into, into really nasty characters.

[00:14:22] So don't do that.

[00:14:23] Be nice to your toys.

[00:14:23] Um, I think that's, that's kind of a fascinating little programming that happens.

[00:14:29] I also think there, when you have scenes where there's actually kids in there, it is, it is

[00:14:36] really trying to enforce.

[00:14:38] It's almost like the, the toy lobby is like, Hey, can you, can, can, you know, can you, well,

[00:14:43] not necessarily the toy lobby.

[00:14:44] I think it's parents.

[00:14:46] Ultimately it's parents that are like, Hey, can you be nice to your toys and not just destroy

[00:14:50] them.

[00:14:51] Um, and I, and I think this, this movie is kind of interestingly trying to, to, uh, program

[00:14:57] kids into like, let's not be like the, the, the, the first year preschool kids and, and

[00:15:03] just go crazy because you know, that's toy abuse, but be nice to our toys, right?

[00:15:10] Be nice to your toys because you can get enjoyment out of that.

[00:15:13] Even your oldest toy that you have, that you've always loved from the beginning is, is loyal,

[00:15:18] is, is loyal to you.

[00:15:21] And, um, you know, just wants to, wants you to have a good time.

[00:15:25] Uh, I think that's kind of an interesting meta game that's going on here.

[00:15:30] And I commend that, that movie franchise for that on a, on a story level.

[00:15:35] I think the, the bonds that have been made in, in the first and the second, I don't remember

[00:15:43] the second that well, but, uh, I, I remember the creepy kid, but, um, the, the, the bonds

[00:15:51] that have been made, um, are, are like those, those checks that have been written, right?

[00:16:00] Uh, are now cashed in.

[00:16:02] And of course there's lots of references, but I think like my favorite characters in, in the

[00:16:07] Toy Story franchise is the Martians and is the Dino and, uh, because the Dino is just hilarious.

[00:16:15] And, uh, I mean, the Martians are great too.

[00:16:17] Um, and if, if we think about how brilliant it is to get the Martians from essentially

[00:16:26] thinking the claw is God and worshiping, worshiping their God to controlling their God in this

[00:16:33] film to save their others, uh, it's kind of cool.

[00:16:37] It's kind of brilliant.

[00:16:38] Um, and I mean, it's just a fun callback, right?

[00:16:42] Because whenever they see a claw, it's like the whole claw, it's so good.

[00:16:46] It's so fun.

[00:16:47] And, uh, I think for what it is, it's like on a technical level, still groundbreaking for

[00:16:53] its time.

[00:16:54] I mean, it was 2010.

[00:16:55] Uh, it looks like the, um, the advancements they've made from the first one to this one

[00:17:00] are massive, but it's still, it's, it's a logical kind of, it's, it's not a jar and

[00:17:08] jarring kind of deviation from the style of the first.

[00:17:11] It's just a logical, we get to do this better now, but it still looks very in world.

[00:17:17] Um, so I think that's great.

[00:17:19] And then I wanted to call out one thing that is also fantastic because it's just showing,

[00:17:24] um, the, the brilliance of, of the filmmakers in a way is how this movie starts.

[00:17:30] And it's with the, the, the way Andy plays with his toys and kind of the film that goes

[00:17:38] on in his mind when he plays with this, with his toys, uh, because it's so, uh, relatable,

[00:17:46] right?

[00:17:46] We've, we've all been there.

[00:17:47] We've all had toys and we've all played whatever version of, of that film that he's going through.

[00:17:53] Right.

[00:17:53] And we, we all make characters out of, out of that, um, out of the toys and kind of try

[00:17:59] to, to make stories and all that kind of stuff.

[00:18:01] And I think it's, it's so well done in this film that we see that story in his mind and

[00:18:07] then see the reality check of like, but in actuality he's in his room and it's not as,

[00:18:12] as glorious, but that's doesn't matter.

[00:18:13] Right.

[00:18:14] Because he has the time of his life.

[00:18:16] Um, and, and then for him at the end to, to reinforce the whole, like, okay, this, this

[00:18:24] person is to, this pig looks, looks cute, but it's actually the most evil pig in the

[00:18:29] world or whatever.

[00:18:30] Right.

[00:18:30] Like the, he's, he's kind of imprinting the characters on that and, and bringing the forward.

[00:18:36] I, I think that's cute.

[00:18:38] It's, it's a cute kind of way for him to move on and kind of have a last, like, okay, I

[00:18:44] remember all these characters and I really liked them and I want them to have a good home.

[00:18:47] So I think it's just a sweet way to deal with saying goodbye and teaching kids also

[00:18:54] to say goodbye and that it's not necessarily always for forever, but you know, either way,

[00:19:01] like you, you can say goodbye to things and, and that's cool because there's other, you

[00:19:07] know, they don't just disappear.

[00:19:09] They have a new good life.

[00:19:13] You know, um, you make some good points.

[00:19:16] Um, but I'm going to talk a little bit more about the, uh, the nostalgia part and I'm going

[00:19:23] to get back to the points you made.

[00:19:24] I think the, the show, the movie also uses a significant number of, uh, characters from

[00:19:33] the old one.

[00:19:33] Well, not significant.

[00:19:34] I mean, we saw Sid, Sid was in this movie.

[00:19:38] Um, and you know, he was the garbage man at the beginning.

[00:19:41] He was wearing his skull, skull t-shirt, which he wore in Toy Story one, listening to music

[00:19:46] and throwing the toys into the garbage.

[00:19:50] Having his time of, you know, having the time of his life though.

[00:19:53] Yep.

[00:19:54] I think there was, uh, you know, when my daughter is going through the garbage, garbage

[00:20:00] phase where she loves garbage trucks and it was fun for her to watch all the garbage

[00:20:05] men throw the garbage in the garbage.

[00:20:08] And this is what they do with garbage.

[00:20:09] Yeah.

[00:20:09] This is what they do with garbage.

[00:20:11] Um, but I, I think that you mentioned earlier that, you know, Pixar may be trying to train kids

[00:20:17] not to, uh, not to, um, boil toys and to be more like, uh, socially, um, socially aware

[00:20:28] of what they're doing with their toys so that they can give it to younger folks.

[00:20:31] But, you know, at the end of the movie, one of the garbage men picks up Lotso and he says,

[00:20:36] oh, I used to have one of these as a kid.

[00:20:38] And instead of like hogging it, he just stamps it to the car.

[00:20:42] And one of the toys says, just make sure you keep your mouth shut because of the flies.

[00:20:48] Um, so in a sense, there is that notion that some people don't change.

[00:20:55] And I think the movie acknowledges it with that.

[00:20:58] Um, and we get to see Sid again, but the thing about it also is you don't understand that

[00:21:03] you're seeing Sid unless you watch Toy Story 1.

[00:21:05] So like I said, the emotional impact of some of these scenes get lost on somebody who hasn't

[00:21:10] seen the previous ones.

[00:21:12] Um, I don't know who hasn't seen Toy Story 1 at this point, but I'm guessing,

[00:21:17] you know, there are some people who haven't.

[00:21:21] Um, so yes, the movie is, um, I think I've made all the points that I wanted to make.

[00:21:28] Um, if, if I can just, yeah, no, no, if, if I could just interject, because I think,

[00:21:33] um, you, you make an interesting point.

[00:21:35] Uh, I think the point about not being able to recognize that it's Sid because I didn't,

[00:21:39] doesn't necessarily have an effect on the movie or kind of the enjoyment of it because

[00:21:44] it's, it kind of doesn't matter.

[00:21:47] I do take your point though.

[00:21:48] If you don't fully understand that the Martians are from a claw machine, uh, that, that, that

[00:21:54] kind of gets lost in translation a little bit.

[00:21:56] So, so I, I, I concede it partially, I think.

[00:21:59] No, I mean, but I think what I'm talking about in the perspective I'm talking from is like

[00:22:03] the emotional impact of the characters.

[00:22:05] It's like somebody who watches, who's watched Toy Story 1 recognizes Sid, um, and they get,

[00:22:13] um, a significant boost, um, from, oh, so this is what Sid is doing, uh, compared to,

[00:22:19] I mean, obviously it doesn't affect the movie and the direction of the film.

[00:22:23] Um, uh, but I think that they at least get like satisfaction from their previous watch,

[00:22:30] uh, because we've seen Andy grow up.

[00:22:33] What is Sid doing?

[00:22:34] There were neighbors at that particular point.

[00:22:36] Um, so in a sense of what I'm just trying to say is like some of the emotional impact

[00:22:40] of the decisions they make are based on whether you've seen Toy Story 1 and 2.

[00:22:45] Um, and you know, this is, that is neither here nor there, but it is, it is true.

[00:22:54] Uh, I mean, it's kind of like watching, uh, an Avengers film and they start to talk about

[00:22:59] things that happen in Wachovia or wherever, I don't know, Wakanda.

[00:23:03] And if you hadn't watched the previous film, some of those ideas could get lost in you.

[00:23:07] So basically the person who's watched all of these movies would get all the impacts of

[00:23:12] the Easter eggs compared to the person who hasn't is basically the point I'm trying to

[00:23:16] make.

[00:23:17] Yeah, that's fair.

[00:23:19] Okay.

[00:23:19] Should we move over to the sidebar?

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[00:23:30] All right.

[00:23:31] I mean, it's difficult to talk really against this movie, to be fair with you.

[00:23:38] Um, I think a lot of the things that we've talked about in general, when it comes to reviewing

[00:23:46] films, this movie kind of sidesteps them.

[00:23:48] For example, it's not long.

[00:23:49] It's not too long.

[00:23:50] It's something that you can just, you can breeze through in an afternoon.

[00:23:54] Um, the, the emotional impact, especially if you've watched all of the other Toy Stories

[00:23:59] is, is very high.

[00:24:01] It has, is impactful.

[00:24:03] And I mean, I wasn't crying when I watched it again, but, um, I was sad the first time

[00:24:09] I watched it because it felt like this movie was coming to an end.

[00:24:14] And you know what?

[00:24:15] They're talking about Toy Story 5 now with iPads being the, the villains.

[00:24:20] Um, so this movie is, uh, this movie is great.

[00:24:25] And if you get a chance to watch it, I would say you, um, does it deserve to be in the IMDb

[00:24:30] top 250?

[00:24:31] Yes.

[00:24:32] Um, and this movie is excellent at what it does in creating the real, the world that it exists

[00:24:40] in.

[00:24:41] And I will say that the prison break was extremely interesting to watch.

[00:24:46] So, um, it was unpredictable.

[00:24:49] Um, and in a sense, um, a lot of the complexity of this film was based on how well that prison

[00:24:57] break was going to go.

[00:24:58] And a personal shout out to Bobby and Ken, you know, they brought the Bobby and Ken dynamic

[00:25:04] before the Bobby movie came out.

[00:25:06] Um, a few years, almost 13 years later.

[00:25:10] Uh, but the dynamic between the two of them was very, very interesting.

[00:25:14] And, um, I was glad to see how Ken was represented.

[00:25:20] Um, and you know, in the toxic world we're living in, it was good to see that we have a man

[00:25:26] who can write with perfect handwriting and who loves wearing, um, who works, who loves looking

[00:25:33] nice.

[00:25:34] So I think that was good to be represented as well.

[00:25:36] So, yeah.

[00:25:37] All right.

[00:25:38] Yeah.

[00:25:38] I think the, I enjoyed this one a lot more than the first one.

[00:25:43] Uh, but, but again, like to, to go back to, I think one of my earliest arguments is, uh,

[00:25:49] because in my opinion, this stands and, uh, falls with, uh, with the main character.

[00:25:56] I think Woody is surprisingly unlikable in the first one, but he's likable here because

[00:26:02] he's truly rooting for his friends and trying to, to do what's best.

[00:26:07] He's no longer the egocentric, like, but I am the favorite toy, right?

[00:26:13] Like he's, he's understood now that, that, uh, though not all toys are created equal,

[00:26:20] they all have their own, um, standing and not standing, you know, they, they, they all

[00:26:29] have their own worth, I suppose.

[00:26:31] And I think the, the, the brilliance of that is that, that mindset is reinforced in the

[00:26:36] opening sequence where there's just vastly different, different toys coming, uh, coming

[00:26:41] to show, you know, and it's just kind of the, the chaoticness of, of a kid having toys, right?

[00:26:46] Where it's like, we have a train and we have this pig and we have the monkeys and we have

[00:26:51] the pink Cadillac.

[00:26:53] It's like, it's cool because it's just, it doesn't matter what it is because it's, it's

[00:26:57] just filling the narrative.

[00:26:58] And, and I think that is kind of reinforced with like all these toys have their, their

[00:27:02] relevancy in their own mind.

[00:27:05] And there's not like, uh, I think Woody always had kind of this, there's a reason why

[00:27:10] Andy considered taking him to college.

[00:27:14] Like there was always kind of a, a pedicent.

[00:27:16] I think we all also had a toy or whatever, a plush that kind of had that status in a way.

[00:27:22] Um, but it's like, um, he's so much more likable.

[00:27:28] Um, I think there are a couple of things where this film loses me here and there.

[00:27:34] Um, it's like the potato tortilla section was a little weird and random to me.

[00:27:40] Like why, why do they have a random tortilla in some drawer all of a sudden?

[00:27:44] Like that, I felt like that didn't make a lot of sense.

[00:27:47] It was just kind of weird.

[00:27:49] Um, the, the Spanish bus light here was also kind of out of coming out of nowhere.

[00:27:56] And then he's knocked out of it, out of nowhere, but then goes back to when the music, when

[00:28:01] Spanish music, I don't know that, that whole, I felt like that was done for the laughs, but

[00:28:07] not necessarily, didn't necessarily work if you think about it too much.

[00:28:11] Um, but at the end of the day, I think this is so much, I think this is a much, much better

[00:28:18] film than Toy Story 1.

[00:28:19] So I think this should be ahead of that on the list personally.

[00:28:23] Um, well, I think Toy Story 1 was a cutting edge film, um, especially for the time.

[00:28:31] I think for the technology bounds, for the ability to show that you could actually make

[00:28:37] a movie that works in 3D, I think that movie still deserves to be number one.

[00:28:43] And maybe this would be number two, um, because it shows the significant impact and growth of

[00:28:48] the whole industry.

[00:28:49] Um, you know, the interesting thing about the tortilla and the Spanish, you know, was that

[00:28:55] it felt like that was the beginning of their foray into the Spanish market.

[00:29:04] You know, Coco was a lot more entrenched in Mexican culture.

[00:29:08] Um, but I felt like they were already beginning to experiment, uh, with this film, um, expanding

[00:29:15] the scope of, uh, the, the, of the toys from just being, um, American toys to global toys.

[00:29:26] And I think it kind of worked for me because, you know, Buzz wasn't, they didn't use Buzz

[00:29:31] a lot in this film.

[00:29:32] And I, you know, you know, they reset Buzz, right?

[00:29:35] They reset Buzz into the, to the original state.

[00:29:37] But the thing about it also is that's another thing that relies on nostalgia.

[00:29:41] You don't understand the impact of Buzz being in the reset state unless you watch Toy Story

[00:29:48] one and two.

[00:29:49] I mean, you watch this movie, you can, you can feel, um, you can feel the, um, the general

[00:29:57] idea that they're trying to get at.

[00:29:59] It's in a reset state.

[00:30:00] He doesn't remember his friends, but there's some moves, there's some things that he did

[00:30:04] in this movie, like the lasers and all of that stuff that he did in the original

[00:30:08] one.

[00:30:09] People who've watched the movies, um, Toy Story one and two would appreciate a lot more.

[00:30:14] So it kind of follows the theme of significant impact versus impact, um, throughout the film.

[00:30:22] But I did like the Toy Story, uh, the, the Buzz turning to Spanish and doing his dance.

[00:30:29] Um, I really, really liked that.

[00:30:31] You know, I thought it was, it was pretty cute.

[00:30:33] Um, and the fact that he can't control himself.

[00:30:36] Um, you, you, you, you bring up a good point.

[00:30:39] I don't need to look that up because I, I don't know if that's the case for this film,

[00:30:43] because I know that the, the localization team for Pixar is usually doing a very good

[00:30:48] job of creating specific, um, assets for, for the international versions.

[00:30:56] But I wonder if they did that for this.

[00:30:58] So for example, right.

[00:31:00] Like one of the greatest examples I have for that is an inside out.

[00:31:04] Um, the dad is watching a soccer game.

[00:31:08] What is he watching in the U S version?

[00:31:10] I think it's, it's, it's football maybe.

[00:31:13] Um, but in, in, in countries in Europe, he watches soccer in Canada, he watches hockey,

[00:31:19] ice hockey.

[00:31:20] Um, so, so, so that, that's kind of the localized versions that makes more sense.

[00:31:26] I say, I suspect this, like, if we follow that logic, uh, it might be that in Europe,

[00:31:33] you know, it's not Spanish necessarily, but he's, he's doing something else.

[00:31:37] But I feel like it, it's, uh, like the anime, like it's so coded.

[00:31:41] Everything is so coded in Spanish that I wonder if, if they did that for this instance, if

[00:31:46] they did, and I'll look that up.

[00:31:48] Um, I think that would be brilliant.

[00:31:50] I fully understand, I guess.

[00:31:52] I mean, the last song, you've got a friend in me was sang in Spanish.

[00:31:58] Yeah.

[00:32:00] So I think that there was a theme that was going on through, throughout the whole film,

[00:32:05] the tortilla.

[00:32:06] Well, yeah, yeah, yeah.

[00:32:07] But my argument is that, let's say the international version, like the, the, the, the Canadian version,

[00:32:16] I, I would suspect hope in a way that, that he's not a tortilla and Spanish, but he is something else that is more Canada coded and, and, and the different, um, ethnicity.

[00:32:29] That is also more relevant for Canada people.

[00:32:32] I doubt that's what's going on here though.

[00:32:35] Right.

[00:32:35] I watched the French version.

[00:32:37] Okay.

[00:32:37] Where every single thing was written in France, in French.

[00:32:40] Yeah.

[00:32:41] So all the words were written in French, but the language they spoke was English.

[00:32:46] So.

[00:32:47] Right.

[00:32:47] You know.

[00:32:48] But they still did the Spanish.

[00:32:49] They still did the, they still did the Spanish.

[00:32:52] They still did the tortilla.

[00:32:53] They still did the dance.

[00:32:54] Um, but it was, it was technically the, the main language was French.

[00:33:01] Yeah.

[00:33:01] From that.

[00:33:01] You can switch to English, which is what I did, but the main language was French.

[00:33:05] Okay.

[00:33:06] Yeah.

[00:33:08] Huh.

[00:33:09] Okay.

[00:33:10] Well, I mean, you know, for us audiences, I think going into Spanish, it makes a lot of sense because it's just a huge population.

[00:33:18] Right.

[00:33:18] And there's a lot of kind of attachment to that.

[00:33:21] Um, I think narratively, it's just, um, a little odd, like the tortilla thing is a little odd.

[00:33:27] It's coming, kind of coming out of nowhere.

[00:33:30] Um, but you know, it's just a little, little piece of the puzzle.

[00:33:35] Um, you know, another piece of the puzzle of a story in a galaxy far, far away is our next film.

[00:33:47] Um, and it's, uh, Return of the Jedi.

[00:33:53] Yeah.

[00:33:54] Um, you know, so one of the things that I forgot to mention in this movie, I was thinking about this, is, uh, before we jump into Return of the Jedi, is we've gone through some of the goriest, saddest movies, depressing films.

[00:34:09] Um, and we get to Toy Story 3.

[00:34:12] And Toy Story 3 is apparently the darkest Toy Story of all of them.

[00:34:18] Um, and you know, after that, we're now going to Return of the Jedi, which has a little bit more sense of hope.

[00:34:26] Um, but it's probably the, the least favorite of the Star Wars films.

[00:34:34] Oof, oof.

[00:34:35] I think, uh, the new trilogy, uh, would like to have a word.

[00:34:39] But, you know, Return of the Jedi.

[00:34:41] I mean, I was going to say the old, of the old ones.

[00:34:43] Sorry.

[00:34:44] Go on.

[00:34:44] Okay.

[00:34:44] That's fine.

[00:34:45] But, you know, in continuation of having, uh, creepy plushes, Return of the Jedi will also have creepy teddy bears.

[00:34:51] Just, uh, but yeah, so, uh, Return of the Jedi is next.

[00:34:58] Looking forward to that.

[00:34:58] Haven't seen it in quite a while because I agree with your assessment.

[00:35:01] It's probably, of the original trilogy, it's probably the least liked.

[00:35:07] Um, but yeah, until then though, where can people find us?

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