Episode 80 - Das Boot

[00:00:16] You swear to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you God.

[00:00:19] Welcome to Movie Mistrial.

[00:00:21] The podcast will be a pain about how accurate IMDB's top 250 movies of all time are.

[00:00:27] My name is Johannes and I am Raji.

[00:00:30] Today we're discussing another film on this playlist.

[00:00:33] The clostrophobic nightmare that captures the horrors of World War II.

[00:00:38] Death boot.

[00:00:40] Death boot is considered the quintessential submarine film.

[00:00:45] The sport was directed by Wolfgang Peterson and stars Jürgen Pothno, habit good or

[00:00:49] Maya and who battles bench.

[00:00:53] Before delve into the depth of this movie, let's talk about how you're doing nice.

[00:00:58] I'm doing well.

[00:01:00] I came back from a road trip saw the eclipse fantastic but another thing that was fantastic

[00:01:06] that I discovered.

[00:01:07] Bucky is have you ever heard of Bucky's?

[00:01:09] No never heard of Bucky's. What a lucky's.

[00:01:11] Bucky is a gas station think of a mixture of like trade-a-jose and target with the gigantic

[00:01:23] gas station on it.

[00:01:25] And it's hilarious, it's great.

[00:01:27] The food is great, it's very affordable.

[00:01:30] Bathroom, so fantastic.

[00:01:31] When you're on a road trip, super important fantastic.

[00:01:35] Love Bucky's.

[00:01:37] Very good. It's like in the southern Texas and Florida and like in all these regions.

[00:01:43] I think I've heard of Bucky's.

[00:01:46] What I'm not a driver, I say.

[00:01:49] Yeah, generally.

[00:01:51] Come across a lot of Bucky's.

[00:01:54] But it's interesting.

[00:01:56] I mean if I'm ever doing that drive, I will give Bucky a try if it is to the variable.

[00:02:02] You should?

[00:02:03] Yeah.

[00:02:04] There always like, the DC's, the gigantic signs on the southern road, right?

[00:02:09] These add signs.

[00:02:10] These are like 97 miles to Bucky's.

[00:02:13] They're projected.

[00:02:15] They're projected.

[00:02:16] Those like account down every single mile home.

[00:02:19] Yeah.

[00:02:20] The only 10 more miles to Bucky's.

[00:02:22] It's kind of a cold but it's kind of cool.

[00:02:27] You know, and like T-shirts for like $13.

[00:02:31] So it's affordable.

[00:02:32] The food is good.

[00:02:33] Like one of the reviews that you can get a sense of Texas based.

[00:02:37] You can get a risk of time which is there.

[00:02:39] And it's like this $8 gas station, risk of time which basically, but it's the food

[00:02:45] and wine article I saw was like, this $8 gas station risk of time which is better than any

[00:02:51] of the barbecue that you have in your stage.

[00:02:54] It's like, okay, let's got a cube.

[00:02:57] That's where I agree.

[00:02:58] It's good, but you know.

[00:03:00] A brother just went back to Texas.

[00:03:03] He went to visit in Texas and he came back.

[00:03:06] He took a picture of the barbecue he went for because he moved here from Texas and he likes.

[00:03:10] He doesn't like California barbecue if we have anything like California barbecue.

[00:03:15] Yeah.

[00:03:16] But he took pictures of his time in Texas.

[00:03:19] He's like, man, look at the barbecue we get here.

[00:03:21] And I was just like, oh, that looks good.

[00:03:25] All right, I can't argue with you.

[00:03:27] I'll just see your food looks ugly.

[00:03:31] So, once a California barbecue is like broccoli and avocado's, that's not insult California.

[00:03:42] It's it's a loving insult.

[00:03:45] What's what's going on with you?

[00:03:48] I mean, we'd like we've been talking about before we started discussion.

[00:03:52] Just wrap these stuff is going crazy, man.

[00:03:55] You know, we're recording on the week where Chris Brown came out with a rap song against the

[00:04:03] amigos and Kanye West response to Drake.

[00:04:07] And there's a lot of, there's a lot of, how will I say it?

[00:04:12] The violence spelled V a y u l e n s are violence going on in the world.

[00:04:20] And it's very interesting to watch.

[00:04:22] It's getting interesting again, as somebody who likes rap, the whole that's slowly getting pulled back into it.

[00:04:30] But it's interesting.

[00:04:33] I don't know where it's going to end up, but so far,

[00:04:38] we're going to start off with a cat William going on and insulting all the comedians.

[00:04:44] And now we have all the rappers insulting each other.

[00:04:47] So we stepped into the matrix, and we are on the wrong side of it.

[00:04:52] So we'll see how it all plays out.

[00:04:57] So just when you're going to worry about the podium back in.

[00:05:00] And that's what we're going to do now.

[00:05:02] And that red pill matrix right now jumped into groups where R&B,

[00:05:08] sing is making rap music.

[00:05:12] It's almost like, you know, maybe the next Taylor Swift album is going to be a rap album.

[00:05:18] I don't even see his making cartoon music.

[00:05:22] Taylor Swift is, Taylor Swift is in the business of making money.

[00:05:28] I don't know how I do that.

[00:05:30] However, however easy way you can do that.

[00:05:34] I heard she gives good tips.

[00:05:36] So if I can get into that, I'll carry whatever it needs to be carried.

[00:05:42] If it means I get a $100,000 tip by the end of the year.

[00:05:46] That's good for me.

[00:05:50] It's a nice little bonus, yeah.

[00:05:54] I mean, there's a reason where she's being loving me called the capitalistic queen by her fans.

[00:06:00] So it's amazing.

[00:06:04] What other piece of media is amazing?

[00:06:09] Maybe we don't know yet.

[00:06:11] Is this boat?

[00:06:13] Oh, well, great comeback.

[00:06:15] We're on a tangent.

[00:06:17] We're on a strong tangent.

[00:06:21] We don't even do another topic.

[00:06:24] And I have to come back up.

[00:06:28] The classic German movie, the second German one we've seen.

[00:06:34] First time I've seen it.

[00:06:36] Have you seen that before?

[00:06:38] I have, you know, as I finish the movie, I realized that I've seen part of it, but I never watched it from start to finish.

[00:06:46] This was my first time watching it from start to finish.

[00:06:49] Yeah.

[00:06:50] Well, it was in the DVD that I had.

[00:06:52] There was a little break because it split up into two sides.

[00:06:55] Oh, interesting.

[00:06:57] Such a interesting time capsule of DVDs.

[00:07:03] Switch to disk into mission.

[00:07:05] Yeah, yeah.

[00:07:06] The mission is as long as you need to, you can just stand up and switch to disk.

[00:07:11] It's kind of hilarious.

[00:07:14] It's like, so it's low behold.

[00:07:16] This film is long.

[00:07:18] We watched the director's cut.

[00:07:20] Just to pick everybody up on that.

[00:07:22] We watch a director's cut, which is three plus hours.

[00:07:25] So it's, it's, it's out there.

[00:07:30] Is it, it's probably the longest film we've seen?

[00:07:35] Watched.

[00:07:36] Yeah, I mean, because even the lot of the range within watch the,

[00:07:38] With the technicality watch the director's cut, we watch the short version of the air cut.

[00:07:44] Yeah, it could be.

[00:07:48] And before I make any remarks, we would have to know on which side we are.

[00:07:54] But do we did that before after we tossed the cone of the, of the, of the, the analysis.

[00:08:00] That's just an upstairs.

[00:08:02] Despleved.

[00:08:05] It's a German war from directed by Wavring Peterson, set during World War II.

[00:08:10] The story unfolds aboard a German U-boat as it's crew embarks on the perilous mission in the Atlantic Ocean.

[00:08:16] Through the eyes of the submarine's captain and crew, the film depicts a claustrophobic and harrowing conditions they endure of facing constant danger from enemy ships and death charges.

[00:08:25] As tensions rise and realities of war weigh heavily on them, the group grapples with fear, camaraderie, and the moral complexities of their mission.

[00:08:33] The sport is renowned for its immersive portrayal of submarine warfare, capturing both the adrenaline field action and the psychological toll it takes on those involved.

[00:08:45] All right, and we're back. So we should figure out who's speaking for it against.

[00:08:52] It's a possibility.

[00:08:54] I'm going to go with heads. My usual heads.

[00:08:57] It is.

[00:08:58] Sometimes I, one day, if I should use my power for good or bad.

[00:09:03] I'm going to speak for the film.

[00:09:08] Okay, that's fine.

[00:09:11] I don't mind that. I don't hate that.

[00:09:15] All right, here we go.

[00:09:16] The witness will address this court as judge or your are ladies and gentlemen. That's bold.

[00:09:22] A movie that gives you an intermission baked in if you buy the DVD version.

[00:09:28] I just kind of wondering if, so the directest cut is about having our 45 minutes longer than the theatrical cut I believe.

[00:09:39] And I kind of wonder if if.

[00:09:42] A, I wonder why we need to add more time because narratively not a lot happens in this film, right? Like it's so let me start. Let me start at the beginning.

[00:09:54] This is the quintessential submarine film and the problem, but also the fascination I think everybody has to submarine films is they're all the same.

[00:10:06] They're all basically the same and they have to be and that's kind of the pride in for all movies in this genre because it's like, okay, you sent these people out in a submarine.

[00:10:17] They have to be a surface level. They have to go down surface level.

[00:10:22] Go down for reasons to get air and all the kind of stuff and you know, whatever, but.

[00:10:30] And non conflict in a submarine movie does not make a good submarine movie so every movie does have to have conflict and every movie has to have that. Oh, they're on the water and they're almost dying there on the brink of collapse or implosion.

[00:10:45] So they need to have that tension.

[00:10:50] And they're all the same like all these films are the same. So the problem with the sport is that it's incredibly long and there's not a lot happening.

[00:11:02] They are going out. They have a couple conflicts. They make it through all of them surprisingly until the very end when they're not even taken out really by.

[00:11:15] By something in a submarine conflict by but by by planes. So what are we doing here like this is not this is not a super compelling story in a way in the sense of like the conflict that we set up along the way are kind of inconsequential for how to move in so there's kind of this this classic narrative of a submarine film and then a Pearl Harbor ask ending.

[00:11:45] And then take your bows and leave and it's it's a weird film in that sense.

[00:11:51] And then just you could tell the director really loved certain shots in this, they really loved going through the submarine kind of low angle fast kind of going for back to front we've seen that multiple times.

[00:12:09] The really love the depth charge explosions we've seen that multiple times so there's a lot of rehash and reuse of scenes that we've already seen.

[00:12:19] And I feel like it's it's meant to give you this sense of claustrophobia, but since we're moving back and forth so much in on that ship on the submarine.

[00:12:34] It's hitting it's missing it's missing the mark from you on that because it does feel relatively spacious for what we're doing with right like they try to reinforce that a little bit with when they have meals and then two people have to get up every time for people to walk through.

[00:12:53] But for the other times when there's chaos and there's alarms and all that there's kind of not a lot of problems to move about the submarine so all in all I think it's it's very drawn out classic stereotype submarine film that doesn't give us anything new.

[00:13:16] That has a bizarre ending and it's just kind of existing and I really question why there is a direct as kind of this because I suspect we just got four to five minutes more of staring into the void and listening to the solar things so that's kind of my point.

[00:13:36] Interesting, you know this is done even the longest version of this film.

[00:13:40] The longest version of this film is the German TV version right so that wasn't it's five hours long but the interesting thing is.

[00:13:56] Okay so the difference between the normal version and the director Scott is you get a lot of mood settings you get more shots more wise shots of you know moves we get more scenes at the very beginning of the movie we get more context into some of the characters.

[00:14:15] And we get more at the point of leaving and whatever we get more is basically what I'm going to say so you know that's boot.

[00:14:28] I think of listening to your conversation where you talk about how this movie is just like every other submarine film and to an extended true.

[00:14:38] This movie has people delve into the water and come out this movie has 10 scenes with their fighting other.

[00:14:48] Ships but I don't think there's any of the submarine film that has a submarine fighting a destroyer.

[00:14:56] I think most of the submarine films have submarines fighting other submarines and just going around trying to figure out where all these submarines are so I think that in a sense there's a tense.

[00:15:08] There's a tension that occurs with those ones because everybody's on a level playing ground and using the skills of the soldiers you are.

[00:15:19] Try to figure out how to survive that's that's one you know.

[00:15:27] But this one this one is a movie about submarine folks who are going against.

[00:15:36] I'm going to fight in unfair.

[00:15:40] A submarine can face a destroyer face to face a submarine it takes a lot more skill it takes a lot more tension to get to a barrage of of destroyers and British ships this isn't this is an unfair fight.

[00:15:59] And what makes this movie even better is the fact that you are not on the typical side.

[00:16:08] You are on the side of the bad guys then the Nazis and what you get to experience as this movie begins is that even amongst.

[00:16:21] The rank and file there is a distinction was the Nazis, but they know that they have a job to do so this is a movie about principles about people that's by the fact that they don't agree with the government.

[00:16:36] Going around and doing their job which is what a lot of people on the other side are doing so you have a situation where rather than rooting for the main mission.

[00:16:51] You have a growing sense of interest with the people who are actually running the boat right.

[00:17:01] So you gain a level of interest to see how the captain maneuver in situations where they don't understand.

[00:17:10] You get based on the emotions of the people in the ship.

[00:17:15] In the submarine you start to get affiliations and understandings there are lots of people with different characters and I do agree with Johannes when he says that a lot of the conversations are mundane.

[00:17:27] But this modernity is always cut between some of the most tense.

[00:17:34] Bacified that you can actually ever have.

[00:17:38] The first fight with the destroyer, the second fight that they tried to battle through the ships, the army of British destroyers and ships as they tried to get to Gibraltar.

[00:17:54] One of these things that I really really really appreciate about this film is the use of tension lots of widescreen shots of the captain lots of widescreen shots, so the effects of all the actions lots of widescreen shots of all the people under submarine should be effect of what is going on.

[00:18:14] And as the movie as you delve deeper into what's actually going on, you find yourself trapped in that claustrophobic boat with this people hoping that they can survive and I can tell you that there's not that last 40 minutes of the film was a tension.

[00:18:35] I couldn't believe how much I was rooting for this humans to escape being 280 meters underwater in a boat that wasn't designed to be at that level.

[00:18:53] How they dealt with all the craziness that occurred and how they eventually made it out. I was totally rooting for them in fact.

[00:19:03] There was a scene when the boats that had to pop out, I was like, oh, I felt like I was in the boat with them. You know, it was that good. The sound everything, it's very immersive this movie and I can talk more highly than that about this film.

[00:19:20] Okay, I think it's really saying that the additional scenes are just to kind of more mood vibe kind of things and the opening you think the whole opening with the party and all that is part of that.

[00:19:37] Okay, I think that one of the things that I felt like it was important to set the mood for what the soldiers are going to be doing. I mean we talked about the people who were.

[00:19:51] You were in the kitchen and the captain's car. You saw how the captain handled it. And then the second soldier, the hit the youth guy who comes in and said, oh my god, this guy is incredibly bad. I cannot even speak of what they did to me.

[00:20:07] And the captain was like, did they urinate on your car too? And it basically showing like, all right, this is kind of like what happens on the night before we set out. So it kind of set a divide between the two of them. But at the end of the film.

[00:20:24] The hit the youth guy, this right all his ramblings at the very beginning of the film where he's talking about things like a person has to be clean all the time. He has to be dressed well at all times and all of those scenarios at the end of it. He was just like one of those soldiers. He was as an captain's all of them.

[00:20:45] And I felt like you know, being in a submarine changes you. It changes you.

[00:20:52] And also it's like when you saw how this people react, it would behave in the very beginning of the film.

[00:21:03] And then you see how how much they went through, you don't give them a pass. But you understand that this is crazy being in the submarine is crazy. So one night with it go out crazy is interesting but not like alarming.

[00:21:27] So I'm just coming from it's such a cliche too, right. And that coming out of seeing masses of the air on HBO Max.

[00:21:41] We were it's such a cliche for films of this that deal with that era of having this kind of wrongly party before before war things happen.

[00:21:54] And I wonder what it is anyway like it's because it's.

[00:21:59] For this particular film, it doesn't really do a lot. I don't think I don't think it does a lot to set up characters too much because it's like.

[00:22:09] None of the real character traits that we're seeing displayed at the party when they're all drunk are translating into the experience in the submarine.

[00:22:18] And that's not necessarily so.

[00:22:21] That's how I saw it. I don't know if you have a direct kind of example where it's different but it kind of feel like the report of character the quantum I character he's kind of supportive and drunk at the party.

[00:22:42] But he's just kind of observing for the most part he's helping out but he's observing I don't I don't feel like there's a lot.

[00:22:51] There that we learn at the party, but you know happy to hear your thoughts on that but I think.

[00:23:01] Are you were bringing up the fight with the destroyers? I mean, nine of them were real fights though.

[00:23:07] Right like they they were basically trying to evade the destroyers because they know they didn't have any chance.

[00:23:15] So it's more kind of an invasion as a as opposed to a fight there and then the only fight that happens is against those ships that they torpedo.

[00:23:27] And then towards the end when I go to Guberalta.

[00:23:32] Yeah, like I said, I think you could tighten up this film quite a bit like going to Guberalta seems to be a distraction at the end because then we've limp back to where we started anyway.

[00:23:48] So it's just weird detour for no reason. I suspect that it's there to tell us, okay, leadership at the war is getting more and more and hinted because that's already set up with all these new soldiers are so young right.

[00:24:02] So it's towards the end of the war, the technology of the enemies is getting better those bastards.

[00:24:09] We hear that a bunch of times right and it's like, okay, you know, this already was end when the man the crew and the captain who's kind of openly like, okay, that kind of don't know what they're doing.

[00:24:21] We're kind of towards the end here but we're still doing the thing. So it's like it tries to be well, it is it isn't an entire war movie, but it's also not taking enough of a stance in that in a way.

[00:24:38] Right, like things just happen and that's it.

[00:24:41] Is is is that a good clear narrative and kind of a good position on the entire being anti war? I don't know.

[00:24:50] I'm just as a whole, I'm not super convinced like that you needed all this time to tell the story.

[00:24:57] I think you could have tightened it up and make it really good, really tense because like I said, there's some some tense scenes in this and those are strong.

[00:25:06] But there's also a lot of nothing in this and that weakens the film.

[00:25:12] Interesting, I never, I never, when I watched this movie, I never thought it was anti war.

[00:25:17] I just thought the movie was about just a bunch of folks doing their job, even if they were the bad guys.

[00:25:24] And I think at the end of the movie, you can relate to them as just folks who are just putting a bad way.

[00:25:31] I think once they start to British folks, the destroyer and we saw the captain come out and watch them with swim.

[00:25:40] I think his care was that why haven't they come to save them but we can't have them when I suddenly.

[00:25:50] I thought that he wasn't emotionally devoid of emotion.

[00:26:00] He cared but he knew his job. That was kind of how I felt dropped film.

[00:26:08] Now, we talked about the beginning of the party, the beginning of the party was very rumchi.

[00:26:14] And that rumchi has carried in throughout the film.

[00:26:19] I mean, those people were having rumchi sex with each other on those submarines.

[00:26:23] Man, how quick those crab, the crab, the crabs.

[00:26:29] Did you see the crabs? The crabs were everywhere, man.

[00:26:33] Those people were having all sorts of sex in that submarine.

[00:26:38] The crabs were everywhere.

[00:26:40] And it had parties with folks who addressed as women doing all sorts of interesting dance moves.

[00:26:50] And just like Blackhatter, it happened during the war.

[00:26:55] The men were cheering their man.

[00:26:57] So in a sense, we have all the elements of, I mean, I don't think it was as vivid as they could have.

[00:27:06] It definitely was in there. I'm pretty sure the remake of the German TV show, which came out like a few years ago.

[00:27:14] Maybe ten years ago probably has a little bit more in depth into all of those stuff.

[00:27:19] But it was there.

[00:27:21] There was sex happening on the submarine is what I'm basically trying to say.

[00:27:28] But it's like deeply hidden in the subtext.

[00:27:32] It's not very over.

[00:27:35] I don't think it was like, hey, you know, I'm happy. No, it wasn't like that.

[00:27:40] But the way the SDGs were spreading, it kind of showed like those people were definitely getting it on.

[00:27:48] And when they were in there, you know, there was people who were putting, and as you saw as the movie progressed,

[00:27:55] there were more and more people who were showing up into the Dr. Squirtus.

[00:27:59] And the fact that the captain tolerated it just goes to show that this is part of life in the Navy.

[00:28:05] He had gotten stuck in the room.

[00:28:08] So totally, totally understandable.

[00:28:12] So yeah, I kind of, I kind of feel like that beginning carried on.

[00:28:19] I also felt like the sound in this movie.

[00:28:23] I mean, I've mentioned it a few times to music.

[00:28:26] I was watching this film, but it comes up really.

[00:28:28] What's in the style was film. No, this is a Wolfgang Peterson film.

[00:28:32] And the soundtrack is just off the chain.

[00:28:35] I couldn't believe how good it was. It was really, really good.

[00:28:39] The scenes were, you know, one of the things that you mentioned it was anti war.

[00:28:46] But I didn't feel that way because the captain was not anti war.

[00:28:53] He loved he loved being the captain of best of me.

[00:28:58] He loved the audio he has against him.

[00:29:01] The decision to go head first at those ships as a move to Gibraltar.

[00:29:07] And I think the reason why they moved to Gibraltar was because the port was blown up.

[00:29:12] So it was very risky for them to go in the other direction.

[00:29:15] So they have to go on the totally different route.

[00:29:18] And if they could pull that off, they would be celebrated once they got home.

[00:29:24] It was interesting.

[00:29:27] But he stood out on the, on the, on the top of the ship as the water just blew into his face as we were going as fast as they possibly can to the diesel.

[00:29:42] Using the diesel engine and he was just saying, you know, go when it was like, you could feel their adrenaline in his, in his heart.

[00:29:51] He was, he was the man at that point. I was like, wow, this is crazy.

[00:29:57] But I feel something, you know, I was like, yeah, this is, this is intense.

[00:30:02] I loved, I loved those scenes.

[00:30:05] The scene where he collapsed at the end of the film as the ship sunk, it's kind of an allegory to me.

[00:30:12] It's kind of like a seemingly saying like his heart was with that boat.

[00:30:15] In respect of, which position he was fighting in the war, his heart was with the boat.

[00:30:24] And after all, they went through its sunk.

[00:30:28] I think at that point, the reason why he collapsed was because of that.

[00:30:32] And my final point is one of the things that he did very well in this movie was they talked about how unpredictable war is.

[00:30:42] And at the very, the very, at the, the first fight with the destroyer, once there were being blown up in every direction and that reporter couldn't take it anymore.

[00:30:56] And he just blocked out and then he woke up and everything was normal.

[00:31:01] It's like, hey, you made it out.

[00:31:04] Very unpredictable. And at the end of the scene, movie when they were all celebrating that they made it back home.

[00:31:11] And on the sudden, the allied forces just arrived for ships and they blew up the plane.

[00:31:15] And those people who were seconds ago, celebrated survival and obtained on land unpredictable.

[00:31:25] So in a way, in a sense, if you're talking about it from that direction, I could see the anti war sentiment.

[00:31:32] But if you look at it from the perspective of the captain and the people on the boat, this was what they wanted.

[00:31:38] So all right, that's me going on and running on.

[00:31:43] To me, it was fairly clear that it's like the distances and I wore right because it's like, I said, it's like ultimately it's so pointless what they do.

[00:31:52] Right, and it's like, they bomb those boats.

[00:31:57] And then it's like, you know, at a time a while later, they surface and look at the boat burning and see that the, the allies kept the people there and didn't save them, right?

[00:32:11] And it's like, um, just kind of the the any humanity of war isn't this way both sides because they are the ones that the bump the thing or torpedo the thing.

[00:32:27] But then there's also nobody there to rescue them.

[00:32:33] And I think like the the.

[00:32:37] Had it not been for a lot of the critique that the captain is kind of speaking very openly of the regime and kind of saying how the it like, I think he's pretty open with that he's not necessarily agreeing with the politics but he's agreeing with orders.

[00:32:55] Right, so.

[00:33:02] It's.

[00:33:04] I, it is kind of tricky but I think I took it as very anti war in that sense now because again like we were just seeing like how pointless all of this is and how meeting this all of this is and how.

[00:33:20] Two thirds of this film.

[00:33:23] They they live in misery.

[00:33:27] And get like they think two ships but the the reward or the payback or the the kind of outcome for them is.

[00:33:35] During all this other time the downtime or like hiding away and trying to get away from those destroyers is like agony and misery right and like almost at the break of.

[00:33:47] And so it's like the the.

[00:33:52] The the the cost benefit of what we're seeing here to me just clearly shows that it's it's kind of anti war because the the outcome is not positive.

[00:34:03] And it's not presented as being something positive again when you when you look at something like.

[00:34:10] Like masses of the air I think there's kind of a strong argument it's not necessarily poor but it's pro.

[00:34:17] Allies right and it's just everything is kind of celebrated in in kind of the sense.

[00:34:24] I don't necessarily get that here but I also don't necessarily get.

[00:34:31] Well, I get some this day with a regime but I think you know you have to as a German film you kind of have to put that in.

[00:34:37] But it's also not not this crazy kind of glorification of what we're doing here is right.

[00:34:44] Right like there's not that kind of stance it's orders we doing this.

[00:34:48] And you know take your moral sway way you kind of interpret them like there's not it's kind of a gray area there but I think like the stances and I wore basically.

[00:35:02] But anyway that's that's all I have arguments.

[00:35:06] Well, that's all I have to cool.

[00:35:09] I thought it was a pleasure.

[00:35:12] Well, I wouldn't say pleasantly good but it was a really good film.

[00:35:16] Yeah, let's go to the sniper.

[00:35:18] Oh, roll.

[00:35:20] I bought guilty.

[00:35:22] I got in my chain stop beaver on the witness arrest.

[00:35:25] We could totally be lawyers.

[00:35:27] I'm sorry, but okay.

[00:35:32] So it's I think the biggest achievement in this film for me is the sound.

[00:35:39] I agree.

[00:35:41] The just just the horror of the sonar pain.

[00:35:48] Right and just like the hearing the boats kind of passing over.

[00:35:54] And then just the sonar pain coming coming closer to closer faster and faster is incredible like it's very immersive like it said at the beginning it's it's very immersive and as successful and good.

[00:36:07] But again, I think it's drawn out a little too much but.

[00:36:12] That aspect alone is what makes suffering movie so so fascinating right because you kind of put yourself in there and just the horror of.

[00:36:23] Not being able to do anything and then having to be super quiet because.

[00:36:27] You know, it's not like space where no one can hear your scream.

[00:36:30] You're a quality opposite. It's it's fascinating. It's such a fascinating.

[00:36:36] Center.

[00:36:38] So we're because everybody who decides to sign up knows that if anything goes wrong in that submarine and you're at a certain depth, you are basically signed your own death warrant.

[00:36:53] So you go on those tours hoping that you're not one of those people who.

[00:36:57] Who's just sign up to be in a coffin that goes to the underground and it's so interesting to kind of.

[00:37:06] And I know one of these that I didn't talk about in my in my discussion was no the chief.

[00:37:12] I've had a chief the the guy who lost his wits during the bombing with the the first destroyer and the chief goes of all the people in this room, I didn't expect you.

[00:37:25] But you to be the one who goes through this just kind of shows and you know as more time goes on is like, this is your ninth tour.

[00:37:34] You should be used to things like this right but you know the unpredictable of war is so weird that you know.

[00:37:42] That on his nine to one, that was when he finally gets the the fever.

[00:37:46] And interesting enough at the end of the movie when everything is actually bad.

[00:37:52] Here's the one that saves them by stopping the leak and you know going all the way down and making sure that those stuff.

[00:38:01] They don't drown and the captain looks at him and it says get out of your wet rags and smiles at him like I've always believed in you.

[00:38:10] So he's like everybody has a redemption. He had a redemption I can't wait in this film and I don't know I don't really have anything negative to say about this film is one of the funny enough is one of the weird films where.

[00:38:26] After watching this movie for four hours, I don't think I was bored at any point.

[00:38:31] I wasn't bored. I don't know what you just wanted to move it to last four hours but I can say that those four hours where four hours where I didn't get bored at any particular point, it was that it was the movie about.

[00:38:47] Modernity where he talked was like in the middle of the ocean on a you know coffee and talking about dumbness and leadership.

[00:38:57] The film with the dumbest and weirdest things and then all of a sudden you have the most intense battle for 40 minutes and then they go back to modernity.

[00:39:10] I like this film. I can't.

[00:39:14] The lives of others used to was my favorite German film for a long time but this one is really rivalry right now and I have to really rethink.

[00:39:25] Okay.

[00:39:27] Yeah, I mean, what I said in my opening that.

[00:39:31] Submarine films are all basically the same.

[00:39:34] I think that is true right but I think this also does fascinating romanticism around separate submarines because it's.

[00:39:45] It's really this kind of subgroup of the Navy of the Navy's around the world.

[00:39:54] Where you can like they break the norm right like they like you said there's probably you know among themselves they're Fred and Iced.

[00:40:07] They they are a lot of girl beards which I don't think is like usually cool for other.

[00:40:15] Military factions so so there they're kind of the underdogs but the statistics are also going against them right like that this is.

[00:40:24] The film opens up which another notch in the in the anti war argument for me is like at least on an already video it started with a statistic around.

[00:40:36] Like 40,000 people that went out 30,000 didn't come home like then we're considering some like that crazy statistics right like it's kind of insane to think that.

[00:40:50] There's only so many people on on these things where there's only like 50 or 50 55 I think.

[00:40:57] Like how many how many of these things were there.

[00:41:01] Excuse me how many thing of these submarines were there how many of them were sunk and how many people end up dying because that's that's kind of wild and yet submarines are kind of put on this this kind of pedestal of advanced.

[00:41:19] Warfare in a like this romanticized kind of pedestal at least for me in the way right because it's it's kind of cool.

[00:41:27] Like the technology over this kind of cool it's kind of cool that it's so claustrophobic like looking in right like there's some weird kind of dynamics with submarines that I think are very fascinating.

[00:41:39] And kind of kind of cool but then if you think about a little more it's like actually doesn't sound that glory to live there.

[00:41:47] It's kind of cool to look at it I guess.

[00:41:50] Yeah, no it's it's a good film for sure.

[00:41:55] Also has a cast with quite a big heavy hitters in German like from German pop culture so the interesting the.

[00:42:05] The the was it the reporter dude like the main dude so he's one of Japanese biggest pop artists really yeah.

[00:42:17] And I feel like this is about the only film he's made.

[00:42:23] I believe.

[00:42:25] Let's take a look.

[00:42:33] He's yeah he's he's not done a lot of films.

[00:42:36] But so he.

[00:42:39] He's in four films.

[00:42:44] And then that's a concert music videos but so he's pretty big and then the.

[00:42:50] As the second officer the red head who kind of gets to launch rate of party two.

[00:42:56] He he's a pretty standard like a pretty famous in the way be list actor he's been in a ton of.

[00:43:05] I think he's been in.

[00:43:11] I'm a celebrity getting all over here jungle camera.

[00:43:14] Yeah, so he's kind of that caliber of actor.

[00:43:18] But yeah, this does a lot of big heavy hitters in terms of.

[00:43:23] Actress here which is.

[00:43:26] I didn't realize that.

[00:43:29] So yeah next up speaking of heavy hitters of actors.

[00:43:36] What's next up?

[00:43:38] No, I don't know what's next up.

[00:43:40] Next up is Avengers and game.

[00:43:46] That's not a three hour film.

[00:43:48] It is a three hour film, yeah.

[00:43:51] Just a three hour film.

[00:43:54] You know, giving the context of how bad Disney is.

[00:43:58] It's making this films is this might be interesting to watch.

[00:44:03] The last time they did it really good epic film.

[00:44:06] Yeah.

[00:44:08] Is it the second part of the yeah.

[00:44:13] All right, well, I'm interested in catching it.

[00:44:16] Yeah, so the second part to infinity work.

[00:44:19] This is the finale of the of that.

[00:44:22] Was that that trunch of.

[00:44:25] Marvel films.

[00:44:28] Yeah, and then after that another three hour film.

[00:44:31] Braveheart.

[00:44:35] Can't remember the last time I watched Braveheart in high school.

[00:44:39] I think it's going to be interesting to rewatch it, especially given the context of all the actors and stuff.

[00:44:45] So yeah, I'm getting it.

[00:44:48] Yeah, cool.

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